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Gay site AfterElton publishes article on Dan Savage's biphobia
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More needs to be said and spread about Savage and his hypocritical and oppressive opinions - opinions "wearing a fact suit" to quote the article. Savage's mass exposure makes his views a real danger for Bisexual acceptance.
Thanks for posting the article.
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The problem for me is that I think that I may be one of the bisexuals that lives up to Savage's slutty expectations of bisexuals...:eek:
I'm certainly not in transition to gay though.
Savage writes "the overwhelming majority of bisexuals wind up in opposite sex relationships."
Well, is he really wrong or too far off? A lot of bisexuals do seem to wind up in cross sex relationships judging from this site. The problem is that they do not always work for bisexuals. Some remain closed relationships and some are open to include a same sex partner as well...whether the cross sex partner is aware of it or not. Why use monosexual morality values for bisexuals?
I agree with him that maybe bisexuals are best off with other bisexuals rather than a monosexual? It is just a matter of taking his thoughts and presenting them in a more positive manner.
Do we have to live up to monosexual values to be "accepted'?
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I don't believe in the supposed prevalence of monosexuality...I think 90 percent of the populace are 1-5 on the Kinsey scale. The people who are strongest in their bisexuality can do so much good awakening the less perceptive to their latent urges. As for the 10 percent who are 0s and 6s, they are the real freaks......they spend their entire lives being squares, monstrous bulls, and cartoonish fops. These types are boring people anyway, and I agree that we should leave them alone. There's something inherently ridiculous to me in not being at all attracted to anyone who happens to come from a demographic that makes up half the population.
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LouiseBrooks
I don't believe in the supposed prevalence of monosexuality...I think 90 percent of the populace are 1-5 on the Kinsey scale. The people who are strongest in their bisexuality can do so much good awakening the less perceptive to their latent urges. As for the 10 percent who are 0s and 6s, they are the real freaks......they spend their entire lives being squares, monstrous bulls, and cartoonish fops. These types are boring people anyway, and I agree that we should leave them alone. There's something inherently ridiculous to me in not being at all attracted to anyone who happens to come from a demographic that makes up half the population.
You can stay as bigoted and ignorant as you want but heterosexual people do exist and so do gay people, and bisexual people are NOT in the majority of the human population like heterosexual people are and have been shown to be.
If we bisexuals actually were in the majority of the population society would be a lot different and same gender sex would not be seen as a "taboo" the way some people do see it. Most people in society are not latent bisexuals or are somehow bisexual but in denial and do not know it.
Kinsey never said that 0's or straight people or 6's who are gay/lesbian are somehow "rare" and that most people are bisexual. He just used his now very outdated research and Kinsey scale to show the various ways a person can be bisexual or be 1-5 on the scale.
There's nothing wrong with being gay/lesbian or heterosexual.
Most gay men or lesbians, and even heterosexuals are not biphobic and do not practice bisexual erasure like Dan Savage does.
There's something inherently ridiculous in me in someone who deicdes not to form friendships, sexual relationships, or romantic relationships in someone who is either gay/lesbian, or heterosexual just because we happen to be bisexual.
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Savage writes "the overwhelming majority of bisexuals wind up in opposite sex relationships."
Well, is he really wrong or too far off? A lot of bisexuals do seem to wind up in cross sex relationships judging from this site.
Nope tenni that is not true that most bisexuals somehow wind up in opposite sex relationships or with opposite gender partners.
I'm bisexual and my husband is as well, and we've been in a relationship with each other for decades.
There are actually a lot of bisexuals who are in relationships with same gender partners both on this site and in society.
People assume that we're gay/lesbian or they just might not be vocal or frequent posters on this website.
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There's something inherently ridiculous to me in not being at all attracted to anyone who happens to come from a demographic that makes up half the population.
Yeh! How can you trust someone who's so obsessed with their own genitalia that they are sickened by the opposite genders?:eek:
I don't call THAT equality Mr Savage!:rolleyes:
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tenni
Well, is he really wrong or too far off? A lot of bisexuals do seem to wind up in cross sex relationships judging from this site.
I know just as many, if not more, who have settled into a same-sex relationship.
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tenni
I agree with him that maybe bisexuals are best off with other bisexuals rather than a monosexual?
I have also made the personal decision not to date gay men, and am more inclined to date bi women than straights. But that is MY decision, and no fucking mono bigot has the right to tell me what to do. Furthermore, my decision is based on MY needs, which are not the same for all bisexuals. For those who are happy with one partner, there is no reason not to date monosexuals, and what business does DS have trying to scare gays and lesbians away from us?
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tenni
It is just a matter of taking his thoughts and presenting them in a more positive manner.
Sounds like an apology on his behalf. Please, no. This man is our avowed enemy. I'd as soon see Jews defending Hitler.
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I'm duly chastened, Drugstore. You use the word "ignorant", which is to me a fighting, highly impolite word when I suggest that a great majority of people have had either same sex attractions/experiences at some point in their lives. Many sex researchers agree with me. In no way do I suggest that we who are most dialed in to our bisexual urges get everyone who has ever had a homosexual impulse to pursue a same sex relationship. HOWEVER, your logic builds a tiny ghetto for the bisexual "minority" which we are supposed to cower in while we listen to the supposed vast and powerful (and often abusive) voices of the completely homosexual and completely heterosexual. I say that bisexual feelings are NOT rare and that people with some degree of bisexuality are NOT rare whether they want to acknowledge them or not. There's no safety in accepting yourself as being a tiny minority particularly when you're not. If you want to define bisexuality with extreme rigidity, I'm sure you can pare our number down, reduce our political potency, whatever...you can let the groups that CAN stick together define us, revile us, and abuse us. But I choose the other path.
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LouiseBrooks
I'm duly chastened, Drugstore. You use the word "ignorant", which is to me a fighting, highly impolite word when I suggest that a great majority of people have had either same sex attractions/experiences at some point in their lives. Many sex researchers agree with me. In no way do I suggest that we who are most dialed in to our bisexual urges get everyone who has ever had a homosexual impulse to pursue a same sex relationship. HOWEVER, your logic builds a tiny ghetto for the bisexual "minority" which we are supposed to cower in while we listen to the supposed vast and powerful (and often abusive) voices of the completely homosexual and completely heterosexual.
LOL so it's somehow my fault for calling you ignorant about human sexuality, since you are?
I've read A LOT about human sexuality over the decades and nowhere besides with Kinsey's biased research does any sex researcher claim that most people have somehow had same sex desires or are somehow bisexual.
Kinsey interviewed mainly homosexual men, prisoners, bisexual men, and some heterosexual men and of course if you interview and collect sexual history of gay men, bisexual men, and men in prisons you're going to find that the majority of these men have (big surprise!) had sex with other men and had sexual attraction to men since they're gay or bisexual men.
If you feel this way about what I'm writing I don't think you'll like NotLostJustWandering's advice about how bisexuals should become separate from GLT people.
No this is not sort of any "ghetto" mentality. If you want an actual ghetto mentality start up a bisexual neighborhood or something.
Mr. Savage aside I would not say that most bisexuals are somehow "abused" by gay men/lesbians or by heterosexuals even if there are vocal media whores like Dan Savage who like to talk out of their ass about us.
I'm not defining bisexuality with extreme rigidity at all. Then again I'm not the one claiming that most human beings are somehow bisexual but in denial and don't know it, or claiming that it's somehow "rare" for someone to be gay/lesbian or hetero. ;)
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Well, as you say...you and your "bisexual" husband have been married for several, several years now. I doubt very much you DO see any reason for bisexuals to assert their power. You sit there on your high horse in your safe relationship (which you're pretty damned lucky to have) knowing that whatever anyone thinks about bisexuality, you still have each other. Your husband isn't sitting there afraid that you are going to think he's a faggot and less than manly if he confesses his same-sex desires. Meanwhile, the rest of us have to live in a world which is polluted by Savage-type tripe. I don't need any study to tell you that most women are threatened by any confession of a man's attraction to other men. And a lot of that comes from social conditioning/the dominant narrative about male sexuality. I DO consider that narrative a threat because it makes it very, very difficult for me to find an honest, fulfilling relationship with a woman. I'm looking for a girl that hasn't been spoiled by these poisonous ideas and you have to excuse me if I wish these ideas had never been given vent to begin with. Hey, maybe we bisexuals are a minority. But I have a dog in this fight that you really don't. So just move on with your comfy little bisexual-accepting relationship.
I really laugh when you talk about Savage's "talking out of his ass" like it is mere hot air from a talking head and not the view of the rank and file. Honey, Savage's view IS the view of the rank and file. And it will be until people band together and dispute this garbage. I'm glad you feel safe and not at all abused...some of us can't say the same.
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One thing is certainly clear - for Bisexuals to gain acceptance and respect :
WE MUST GET OUT FROM UNDER THE "RAINBOW" !!!!!!!!!!
Dan Savage represents the predominant thinking in the "LGBT" community - not really a community when the L and G often demean the B. Yes, not all gays and lesbians agree with Savage's views on Bisexuals, but the power structure of the LGBT "community" does. Why else would they invite a divisive figure to grand marshall the "pride" parade in NYC ?
Folks, the "rainbow" doesn't represent us. The LGBT community is really all about the L and the G. It doesn't represent us either.
Time to move on and stand up for ourselves !
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LouiseBrooks
Well, as you say...you and your "bisexual" husband have been married for several, several years now. I doubt very much you DO see any reason for bisexuals to assert their power. You sit there on your high horse in your safe relationship (which you're pretty damned lucky to have) knowing that whatever anyone thinks about bisexuality, you still have each other. Your husband isn't sitting there afraid that you are going to think he's a faggot and less than manly if he confesses his same-sex desires. Meanwhile, the rest of us have to live in a world which is polluted by Savage-type tripe. I don't need any study to tell you that most women are threatened by any confession of a man's attraction to other men. And a lot of that comes from social conditioning/the dominant narrative about male sexuality. I DO consider that narrative a threat because it makes it very, very difficult for me to find an honest, fulfilling relationship with a woman. I'm looking for a girl that hasn't been spoiled by these poisonous ideas and you have to excuse me if I wish these ideas had never been given vent to begin with. Hey, maybe we bisexuals are a minority. But I have a dog in this fight that you really don't. So just move on with your comfy little bisexual-accepting relationship.
I really laugh when you talk about Savage's "talking out of his ass" like it is mere hot air from a talking head and not the view of the rank and file. Honey, Savage's view IS the view of the rank and file. And it will be until people band together and dispute this garbage. I'm glad you feel safe and not at all abused...some of us can't say the same.
LOL try getting out and meeting people and you'll see that most of the world including heterosexuals and gay men and lesbians, do not view bisexuals the way that you want to claim we are viewed with your "Pity me I'm a victim!!!" stance.
Yes I have a husband and we're bisexual. I don't care if some fool from the midwest wants to think that we're not since we know that we're both bisexual.
If you want to find a relationship with a woman who will accept your sexuality you should come out about being bisexual. You're not going to find any woman by hiding in a closet and claiming that "I'm bisexual everyone that's hetero, lesbian, and gay hates me!!!"
No Savage's view is not the "rank and file" as you put it. A lot of gay men don't even like him and find him to be a concieted asshole.
Then again you don't want anything to do with gay men at all, so how would you even know this? ;)
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[I]"Sounds like an apology on his behalf. Please, no. This man is our avowed enemy. I'd as soon see Jews defending Hitler."[/I]
Atiq
No, I'm not apologizing for Savage. I'm reading his words and I'm not really offended by many of the words. The part that I don't agree with is that bisexuals do not exist. The reality is that some people processing their sexuality may identify with bisexuality and then realize that they are gay. This Kyle person who tells Savage to f*ck you is partially correct to be angry with Savage but I think wrong about making statements about a ten year old. I doubt that a ten year old is clear in their mind about bisexuality and whether they are gay or bisexual. I'm in partial agreement with Savage and with this Kyle on youtube. A monosexual can not tell a bisexual that it will get better or feel entitled to tell us anything about bisexuals.
I also agree with djones about being more separate from the rainbow. The point being that I'd much rather listen to another bisexual than a monosexual whether its Savage on the gay side or a hetero on this site. The only place for a hetero or a gay on this site is to seek advice about being in a relationship with a bi. Don't speak for bisexuals if you are a monosexual or an asexual. I don't think that they can represent bisexuals.
I'd like to read on this site more of the thoughts from those bisexuals in a relationship with same sex.
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"Avowed Enemy" ? Seriously? I think that's a little harsh...
Besides Godwins Law...
C'mon he's just another ignorant gay white man, the world(and thus the internet) is full of ignorant people. If you get your shorts in a bunch over them they will just drive you crazy.
Hate never solved anything. I'd rather focus on something more meaningful.
Let's build the community that we wish we had. If that is even possible.
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tenni
A monosexual can not tell a bisexual that it will get better or feel entitled to tell us anything about bisexuals.
I also agree with djones about being more separate from the rainbow. The point being that I'd much rather listen to another bisexual than a monosexual whether its Savage on the gay side or a hetero on this site. The only place for a hetero or a gay on this site is to seek advice about being in a relationship with a bi. Don't speak for bisexuals if you are a monosexual or an asexual. I don't think that they can represent bisexuals.
then we are very lucky that you are not representing the bisexual community, ain't we..... cos you are sprouting the same type of intolerance and biased crap that dan savage is sprouting about how bisexuals should not be tolerated or accepted as people.....
you are rubbishing the very people we are trying to get to accept the LGBT as people.... and to see things our way, thru our eyes
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There is nothing wrong with being a heterosexual monosexual.
There is nothing wrong with being gay monosexual.
There is nothing wrong with being asexual.
They just are not sexual bisexuals.
That is the vast majority of people who self indentify as bisexuals are........ sexual bisexuals.
There is something wrong with any of the above claiming to understand sexual bisexuals and condemning us or our actions unless they want to be in a form of a relationship with us. Savage or any of the above three do not have to be in a relationship with us but they should not condemn our choices as to how we chose to live.
Here is an interesting you tube video on one bisexual trying to communicate an opposite idea of Savage. It is a bit smaltzy long but a good counter to Savage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt9frZ7FNBc
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Diva667
C'mon he's just another ignorant gay white man, the world(and thus the internet) is full of ignorant people. If you get your shorts in a bunch over them they will just drive you crazy.
Problem is - Savage is a very loud, vocal, and exposed ignorant person that gets a lot of attention and his ignorance is accepted as truth.
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Diva667
Let's build the community that we wish we had. If that is even possible.
That's what we are hoping to do - but first we all need to realize who speaks for us and who speaks against us. Savage speaks against us, and speaks for the "rainbow" LGBT "community" . Hence, we need to be frank about the fact that the LGBT "community" is not our community. It may be hard for some to bring themselves to the fact that in order to build our own community, we have to step outside of the LGBT thing.
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"you are rubbishing the very people we are trying to get to accept the LGBT as people.... and to see things our way, thru our eyes"
I agree with djones.
My eyes are not the eyes of the Gay, Lesbian or Asexual communities.
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djones
It may be hard for some to bring themselves to the fact that in order to build our own community, we have to step outside of the LGBT thing.
Why do you believe it is an either/or thing why can't it be an also/and thing?
Dan Savage finally got attention because he started doing something positive (the "It Gets Better Project.) Maybe that's what we need to learn from him. As far as the rest of it goes, you're just feeding into hysteria by giving him attention.
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Diva Dan Savage started the "It gets better" project not because he actually cares about GLBT youth/teens but for self promotion, money, and an MTV reality TV show.
That being said he does not speak for the GLBT Community or even all gay men, he just speaks for himself.
Not all gay men or even GLBT people even like Dan Savage or what he has to say or claims as being true.
Most gay men, lesbian women, and heterosexuals of both genders are not biphobic and are actually fine with bisexuals even if they're not bisexual.
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drugstore cowboy
Diva Dan Savage started the "It gets better" project not because he actually cares about GLBT youth/teens but for self promotion, money, and an MTV reality TV show.
That being said he does not speak for the GLBT Community or even all gay men, he just speaks for himself.
Not all gay men or even GLBT people even like Dan Savage or what he has to say or claims as being true.
Most gay men, lesbian women, and heterosexuals of both genders are not biphobic and are actually fine with bisexuals even if they're not bisexual.
Whatever the reason it was started it turns out that it is a pretty positive message & one our youth needed to hear (no matter whether it turns out to be true or not , actually.) Because keeping kids from killing themselves is a good thing. It's actually a good thing that our youth get to hear a message that isn't doom and gloom.
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The whole "It gets better" project isn't working that well.
GLBT youth, teens, and young adults still keep killing themselves.
I can understand how it might have been helpful had it only been about GLBT youth and GLBT people only but now it's become a total joke with celebrities, major corporations, and people who are not even GLBT at all making videos.
Furthermore it's very hypocritical of Dan Savage to tell GLBT teens/youth "Don't worry it gets better!" all while trashing bisexual adults, cisgender women, blacks, and trans adults like he has for decades in his advice column.
I did not write the below blog post but I do agree with it.
http://tempcontretemps.wordpress.com...e-to-bullying/
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drugstore cowboy
If you feel this way about what I'm writing I don't think you'll like NotLostJustWandering's advice about how bisexuals should become separate from GLT people.
Not only did I never advocate that we personally shun G&L people, I even posted a follow-up clarifying that this is not what bi separatism is about.
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LouiseBrooks
Well, as you say...you and your "bisexual" husband have been married for several, several years now. I doubt very much you DO see any reason for bisexuals to assert their power. You sit there on your high horse in your safe relationship (which you're pretty damned lucky to have) knowing that whatever anyone thinks about bisexuality, you still have each other. Your husband isn't sitting there afraid that you are going to think he's a faggot and less than manly if he confesses his same-sex desires.
Furthermore, having been in a same-sex relationship for decades, Drugstore Cowboy appears gay to those who fail to see bisexuality, and in fact may be seen as a role model to his gay friends and acquaintances. Bet your life he's going to see the queer community as being a lot more bi-friendly than you or I.
Most of the biphobia I've personally encountered came from gay men I was either dating, who were hitting on me, or who I met in a cruisey environment. Gay people's fears of and hatred for bi people are related to partnering. A single bi person is going to encounter a lot more crap than one safely coupled away.
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LouiseBrooks
I really laugh when you talk about Savage's "talking out of his ass" like it is mere hot air from a talking head and not the view of the rank and file. Honey, Savage's view IS the view of the rank and file. And it will be until people band together and dispute this garbage. I'm glad you feel safe and not at all abused...some of us can't say the same.
I would say that none of us is qualified to say what the rank and file, or majority view, of the G&L population think. We are all making assessments based on our personal experiences. It is important to remember how subjective our views are, and not to dismiss each other's testimonies. In the matter at hand, the testimony of you, me, djones, and countless other bi people should suffice to show that biphobia is alive and well in the G&L population, and should not be ignored.
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tenni
The reality is that some people processing their sexuality may identify with bisexuality and then realize that they are gay.
Yes, that does happen, but Savage abstracts a stereotype from those examples. Another thing that happens is that people who find themselves somewhere between the extreme ends and the middle of the Kinsey scale initially identify as bisexual, but after realizing how much hatred, fear and suspicion they receive from all sides, find it more convenient to identify as gay, lesbian or straight. In fact, MOST self-identified gay and lesbian people whose confidence I've won have admitted having heterosexual attraction. It's a self-perpetuating phenomenon, and people like Savage aren't helping.
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tenni
This Kyle person
That's Kyle Schickner, producer of the bi-themed series "A Rose By Any Other Name."
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tenni
who tells Savage to f*ck you is partially correct to be angry with Savage but I think wrong about making statements about a ten year old. I doubt that a ten year old is clear in their mind about bisexuality and whether they are gay or bisexual.
Speak for yourself. I've been quite clear on the matter as long for as I've had any idea what sex was.
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tenni
I'm in partial agreement with Savage and with this Kyle on youtube. A monosexual can not tell a bisexual that it will get better or feel entitled to tell us anything about bisexuals.
LOL, he should just come out and say "it will get better... once you stop telling people you're bisexual!"
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Diva667
C'mon he's just another ignorant gay white man, the world(and thus the internet) is full of ignorant people. If you get your shorts in a bunch over them they will just drive you crazy.
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djones
Problem is - Savage is a very loud, vocal, and exposed ignorant person that gets a lot of attention and his ignorance is accepted as truth.
A widely published sex advice columnist who has been in the business for something like 15 years. Recently appointed Grand Marshall of the NYC Pride Parade without any consultation with the bi, women's, TG, or Black groups marching in the same parade. Do you need more evidence that the leaders of what has been called "Gay, Inc." don't give a rat's ass about us, and take our support for granted?
Sure, Diva667, it's more important to do positive work than focus on the evil of others. But turning a blind eye to evil isn't being positive, it's being stupid. Problem with sticking your head in the sand is that your ass is left out for the world to kick.
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Diva667
Why do you believe it is an either/or thing why can't it be an also/and thing?
Why don't you take this advice of yours and apply it to building community AND fighting biphobia?
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Diva667
Dan Savage finally got attention because he started doing something positive (the "It Gets Better Project.)
What do you mean, "finally got attention"? People have been turning to him for sex advice for some fifteen years now.
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LouiseBrooks why not find a woman who is fine with your bisexuality and date, have a relationship or marry her?
That's what I did. Hetero women who are fine with a bisexual male partner are out there.
My wife is fine with my bisexuality and she knew when we were dating before we got married.
I've been single most of my life and I have not found straight people or even gay men or lesbians to be that biphobic.
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In fact, MOST self-identified gay and lesbian people whose confidence I've won have admitted having heterosexual attraction.
I have not noticed this when it comes to gay men who I'm friends with.
They are fine with my bisexuality but they have told me how they have never had any sexual attraction towards women at all.
Some of my gay male friends have been married to women, had girlfriends, or had sexual experiences with women and did not have any sexual attraction to these women or any woman ever at all. They pretended to be heterosexual because they did not want to come out to their family as being gay or accept that they're gay men.
Or are you describing people who are bisexual yet self identify as straight or gay/lesbian?
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Diva667
Why do you believe it is an either/or thing why can't it be an also/and thing?
Would be nice if it could be also/and, but if we are being ignored, put down, and shamed, where is the benefit in staying with the LGBT gang ? It is more like being in an abusive relationship hoping things will change. It won't unless we change - and get out of the relationship !
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Diva667
Dan Savage finally got attention because he started doing something positive (the "It Gets Better Project.) Maybe that's what we need to learn from him. As far as the rest of it goes, you're just feeding into hysteria by giving him attention
Savage says "it gets better" to teens, while at the same time making disparaging remarks about teenagers who identify as bisexual (see the article in the original post on this thread). That isn't only hypocritical, it is dangerous to the very at risk teen group this campaign is supposed to help.
By drawing attention to Savage's hypocrisy and dangerous self serving rhetoric, I'm not feeding in to the hysteria, I'm trying to alert others to the very real threats against our respect and acceptance.
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tenni
There is nothing wrong with being a heterosexual monosexual.
There is nothing wrong with being gay monosexual.
There is nothing wrong with being asexual.
They just are not sexual bisexuals.
That is the vast majority of people who self indentify as bisexuals are........ sexual bisexuals.
There is something wrong with any of the above claiming to understand sexual bisexuals and condemning us or our actions unless they want to be in a form of a relationship with us. Savage or any of the above three do not have to be in a relationship with us but they should not condemn our choices as to how we chose to live.
Here is an interesting you tube video on one bisexual trying to communicate an opposite idea of Savage. It is a bit smaltzy long but a good counter to Savage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt9frZ7FNBc
There is a distinct difference between being asexual in the way you mean the term and the way LDD means the term. And you know this, and yet you keep using the term by your definition to brow beat LDD. Stop it.
My mom is asexual. She has had no desire to have sex in years (my dad's life must be hell). She is still straight and still thinks like a straight person.
LDD has no desire to have sex. That doesn't make him any less bisexual. Being straight, or gay, or bi has nothing to do with your sex drive.
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