Damn It!! They're at it again!!

[Doggie_Wood]

Talk about bi-partisan :tong:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f5a57185bd/funny-or-die-s-presidential-reunion?rel=player

[Realist]

Funny, for as long as I can remember the current president complains about the previous president loading them up with their old problems. Meanwhile, Congress and the senate has a license to steal, enacting laws that they don't have to adhere to, cramming health bills down our throats that they don't have to deal with, and giving themselves ridiculous raises far beyond their worth. No wonder so many people try to get into politics...few jobs have better perks, or pay as well, with little no consequences for not accomplishing a damn thing!

Where in hell is Truman, John Kennedy, or Eisenhower, when we need them?

[JP1986UM]

I'd settle for a more freshly dead guy. Reagan.

Pasa

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[Hephaestion]

Rumour had it that the monkey took over Reagan's identity and remained undiscovered until it was all too late. Some indication of this was manifest when Mrs T returned from a meeting with Reagan and demanded that her Dennis play more the part of a 'beast'. Or was this all a part of a Spitting Images sketch?

In the UK there is a move towards unversal metering of our water supplies to overcome shortages (small memory invoked here - floods!). There is also the suggestion of small scale private generation of electricity to feed back into the national grid for personal reward. I wonder of the principle could apply to water?

"......Like the fact that the fabulously beautiful planet, Bethsellamin, is now so worried about the cumulative erosion caused by ten million visiting tourists a year, that any net imbalance between the amount you eat and the amount you excrete whilst on the planet, is surgically removed from your bodyweight when you leave. So every time you go to the lavatory there, it’s vitally important to get a receipt....." HHGTTG

Nah, ...not possible?

And here we are having ourselves and our children put into debt by government for the foreseeable future, taxed in everyway imaginable (just watch the reintroduction of civil defence gas masks with bluetooth and a metering unit on the side) and the chief executive of one of the saved banks proudly decares that his bonus will be foresaken and donated to charity instead - At this point, Heph has one of his V.Meldrew moments and expletes (have I just invented a word?)

"No you fuckwit - it's not yours to give away. If you don't want it then give it back to us who paid for your sorry arse to remain comfortably attired; why has our government not spotted this?"

OK - I'll settle for even Reagan in the UK. Even a monkey could do better than our lot whatever political flavour they might be.

[Doggie_Wood]

I'd settle for a more freshly dead guy. Reagan.

Pasa


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OK - I'll settle for even Reagan in the UK. Even a monkey could do better than our lot whatever political flavour they might be.

OK - It's unanimous - Jim Carey for President!! And his running mate should be Chevy Chase!!:tongue:

Doggie :doggie:

[darkeyes]

OK - It's unanimous - Jim Carey for President!! And his running mate should be Chevy Chase!!:tongue:

Doggie :doggie:

Chevy Chase for VP? Otterburn is in Northumberland...:tong:

[void()]

I try avoiding political discussion. Got trained as a soldier and some of the old hands which brought me to it said soldiers forfeit politics as a general rule. It helps to avoid qualms in doing the work. At any given, the company I was enlisted through in the Navy used a good motto.

"Our power is our presence."

It was a direct alliteration and tribute to Franklin Roosevelt. He was the P.O.T.U.S that sent out 16 ships, unarmed, painted bright white and dared anyone to fire on them. The ships completed an uneventful cruise around the globe. He's also famed for saying, "walk softly but carry a big stick."

And he also enacted the Tennessee work project/s. What they did was put Americans to work building roads, houses (some even their own homes), schools. This phased out into our modern welfare system, unfortunately it's not remained under the auspice of his intended vision.

It's my opinion for what that's worth, that he was a good fellow. I'm sure there were probably skeletons in his closet. No one is perfect. I wouldn't mind seeing his class returned to favor. We can all dream.

[Doggie_Wood]

Chevy Chase for VP? Otterburn is in Northumberland...:tong:

Then hows about Bill Murray as VP? :tongue: or maybe even Morgan Freeman? ;)

[MarieDelta]

John Wayne didn't have much in common with John Wayne , either :tong::cutelaugh

[allbimyself]

It was also Teddy, not Franklin, that talked about his big stick.

[darkeyes]

FDR was also a socialist. Most of his New Deal being found unconstitutional by the SCotUS of the time. Lets not forget that he singlehandedly created two of the worst blights on our fiscal policy: social security and welfare.

He also created and used concentration camps and had politial opponents meet with unfortunate accidents. He had more in comon with Mussolini than with John Wayne.

Pasa

Hahahahahahahaha.. ya dus make me laff sumtimes Pasa me luffly... ya wudn kno a socialist if 'e.. or she walked up 2 ya an slapped ya in face... 'mericans don haff sum funny ideas a wot socialists r an socialism involves... mind u..lotsa peeps 'ere do an all.. but neitha do Brits, even less so Europeans suffa the paranoid reaction u lot do wen the word is so much as mentioned...

..sumhow me thinks ya don like FDR 1 lil bit... or socialism for that matta..jus do me lil fave tho hun.. don utter the word socialism an the initials FDR in same voice... they hav bout as much in common as summa an winta.. :tong:

[kegspoon]

Too funny! Hey 'dweller' it was Theaodore Rosevelt with the walk softly quote, he was a bigger progressive than Franklin, but thats another politcal argument. Remember your history, the founding fathers gave us freedom of choice. People choose to use a bank, people choose to borrow other peoples money, people choose not to educate ourselves, people choose to stay unhealthy, people chose the idiots than run this place, So why the fuck do I have to work harder than ever to pay for peoples bad choices. Hey, I like paying for my own mistakes, they are mine and I love them. Hey, buddy I appriciate your service to our country. Stay horny my friend.

[12voltman59]

FDR was also a socialist. Most of his New Deal being found unconstitutional by the SCotUS of the time. Lets not forget that he singlehandedly created two of the worst blights on our fiscal policy: social security and welfare.

He also created and used concentration camps and had politial opponents meet with unfortunate accidents. He had more in comon with Mussolini than with John Wayne.

Pasa

Well Pasa--just claiming that FDR was "socialist" does not make it so-----yet one more right wing Orwellian, psycho talk, bit of myth making that hardly gets challenged, even by the "liberal dominated media."

I would say that instead of America being in danger of falling into a state of socialism--the greater likelihood is that we could become a form of "Corporate Oligarchy" where a very small elite that runs and controls our mega-corporations also comes to run our nation with the majority of power and wealth concentrated into their hands.

I would also contend that Social Security is hardly one of "the worst blights on fiscal policy"----if not for Social Security---several generations of the elderly were saved from living out their "golden years" in abject poverty as was very often the case before that. I think that it has actually been a great success and was one of a long list of "liberal/progressive" policies (aka-- by the reckoning of conservatives--- to be "socialistic") that actually helped to create the great American Middle Class for most of the 20th Century)

The SS system does obviously need some major revamping and tweaking to deal with the realities of changing demographics and economic conditions.

Welfare did admittedly work out to be a failure sadly to say.

As far as putting people in "concentration camps"--that was a pretty popular thing that pretty much everyone signed off on back then---I don't know exactly where that did come from--but I bet if FDR had not done it--he would have been impeached or lynched since everyone got so xenophobic about "the Japs! after the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

As far as FDR knocking anyone off---that is pure paranoid conspiracy crap.

As far as FDR being equal to Mussolini---that doesn't even deserve a response that is so preposperous!!!!!

The only other comment you made that has any basis in fact was that a very conservative SCOTUS did say that FDR did things unconstitutionally----but lets face it--during wartime---there is not a president that has not taken liberties with the Constitution--not that I am explaining FDRs excesses away.

FDR did stack the court and got it to go along with him--which is questionable to be sure.

What we really do have here, Pasa is that we have vastly different worldviews so I know that we cannot even come to the point of "agreeing to disagree" obviously and we sure as hell are not going to have any mutual changing of the minds---I just had to post up my responses to some of the things you said because I just could not let them stand unchallenged!!!

Now Pasa----all clear on the right, all clear on the left, all clear on the firing line! FIRE! back----I know you just have to have the last word----you really need to go get yourself a spot on right wing talk radio---you sure got the right wing way of "talking" down!!

[darkeyes]

What we really do have here, Pasa is that we have vastly different worldviews so I know that we cannot even come to the point of "agreeing to disagree" obviously and we sure as hell are not going to have any mutual changing of the minds---I just had to post up my responses to some of the things you said because I just could not let them stand unchallenged!!!

Now Pasa----all clear on the right, all clear on the left, all clear on the firing line! FIRE! back----I know you just have to have the last word----you really need to go get yourself a spot on right wing talk radio---you sure got the right wing way of "talking" down!!

Is bollox spelt d..o..w..n Voltie? U kno ya 'merican history much betta than me but do kno enuff 2 kno that FDR wos no socialist....

[kegspoon]

Always remember,, opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one

[darkeyes]

Always remember,, opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one

So true.. but weras sum jus stink othas smell a roses...:bigrin:

[void()]

Regarding FDR & TR. Yep, realize the error. That's one good reason I don't bother with politics. All the political guys and gals all look the same. Apologies though, I should have recalled correctly. Damn, being human bites toe jam.

Pasa -

Sorry for having an opinion. Considering you do as well, I see no fault upon this end. If you are seeking confrontation merely for its own sake, look elsewhere. Not here to fight.

[tenni]

Pasa
Although you are entitled to your own perspective, it might be polite to acknowledge that some of us do not live under the same political beliefs that you espouse as the best. We consider our democracy appropriate for us and those of us who live in a social democracy find it works for us. One thing that I believe is that Fascism is quite far from socialism and you should not connect the two in the same sentence or even thought to justify your beliefs. You may see both as state controlled but social democracies are not as controlled as you may believe. We also vascilate over a period of time sometimes leaning more left and at other times move more to the right. Many democracies do this.

Fascism is generally seen as being on the far right and authoritarian. Socialism is on the far left of political philosophies. Fascism has a strong central controlling leader and single party state government that believes in war and violence to keep the country strong. Your society has recently shown signs of being a fascist state in some of your citizen's writings. Fascist states develop a strong identity of commonality and resist individuality. It might be argued that with the blind obedience of so many US people to what the leader espoused that individualism was put down and shunned. I can see part of your perception denying fascism because you seem to favour individuality as you perceive individuality. Social democracies encourage entrepeneuralism to some degree but have checks and balances to prevent our banking systems from failing like the US banking system experienced recently.

Those of us living is social democracies do not live in fascist societies and would you please stop associating us with fascism. We are democracies with multi political parties and not one centrally controlling party. Some social democracies have more freedom than your society as far as sexual orientation and other areas. That is acknowledging individualism. It is not all bad. it just isn't for you.

Keep it polite and remember that you are writing to the world and not just friends in Texas.

[void()]

@Void: Why the attitude? I didn't attack you personally for your opinion. I argued against the opinion. I hate it that FDR is seen as this hero when he was clearly not. He did far more heinous things than any president since, and yet he's seen as some golden child.


No attitude behind it. I was just saying everyone is entitled to an opinion. And yes, folks can agree to disagree about opinions. Guess you and I do disagree. So what? It happens. I'm over it. Moving on ...

[Hephaestion]

Im sold Pasa. I'm going to kick dirt in the face of the next unfortunate I encounter; the no good layabout bum living on hand-outs.

Now, where to draw the line between success and failure which might invite derision?

Thinks

People who teach are fairly low order as they merey regurgitate what the true achievers have managed to discover. Afterall, kids educate themselves through self motivation in a competative and unforgiving society. The saying begins to make sense: 'Those who can do. Those who can't, go into teaching". They live on grants and handouts.

Other prime candidates would be the followers of that fool who got himself nailed to a cross about 2000 years ago for saying it would be good to be nice to others. F***ing socialists. Their organisations function on handouts.

Christ I feel great! (whoops I said Christ didn't I?)

Heph bites his tongue and does not mention that the arsehole is a lone star in the buttocks of humanity.

[darkeyes]

Heph.. u ole p*** taker u!!!

Wonda wot Pasa's saviour wud make of it all huh? Mayb me shud give up teachin since me unworthy..:tong:

Pasa hun..every word u type shows ya don undastand socialism.. b interestin 2 kno wot socialist countries ya lived in...payin a visit 2.. or even livin in country wiv the word "Socialist" in its name dusn make it so.. we r still waitin for that state 2 b created.. it will b in time.. an military backin makes a Socialist state Fascist or Nazi huh? Ver strange... ther is much much more 2 it than that.. am the 1st 2 admit some a the socio economic policies a fascist states r similar 2 those wich a truly socialist state wud employ on behalf a ther peeps.. sum.. not all.. ther is summat called democracy wich socialists belive in an wish 2 c.. democracy from the bottom up.. wer every1 has a say in ther lives..socialists also do not wear racism very well.. in fact no so called socialist country eva (at least officially) employed racist measures 'gainst minorities.. an no propa socialist state will eva hav ne truch wiv racism.. toleration is they key.. no fascist or National Socialist state will eva b tolerant..they will neva b democratic.. they r centrist staate wer all the power hasta rest.. socialist states r devolved an decision r made from the bottom up.. yea course its a theory.. but am an idealist an think the day will cum wen such theories will b implemented an made 2 work..

U simply hav no idea a the difference tween 2 political socio economic philosophies wich r miles apart .. u may well hav lived in China (communist..yea rite), the ole Soviet Union or ne otha country a the ole eastern block.. they wer not socialist.. so no hun.. yas nev lived in such a place or eva been 2 1.. no 1 has...yet...

..an no Pasa.. ya don wan ur govt pokin its nose inta ur affairs.. thers lotsa things u don like the US govt doin from providin decent health care 2 welfare for the poor.. 1 a them howeva isnt the US govt pokin its nose inta the affairs a every otha country around the globe...

[darkeyes]

O yea..an almos forgot summat wich affects us an the purpose a this site... Socialism an socialists arnt anti gay, bisexual or transexual... they actually quite positive bout the sexualities.. cant say that bout Fascism or Nazism.. but then.. they r jus socialists wiv a military.. good grief!!! :eek:

[darkeyes]

aaahh Canada.. and the UK are socialist countries... FFS Pasa.. you do talk through your arse... Tell that to the government of Canada and the opposition parties of the UK.. indeed tell that to Maggie Thatcher and Tony Blair...they may have welfare states.. and they may not have quite the unfettered capitalism that you have in the US.. but socialist they are not.. once again you show amazing ignorance...

..we tend 2 discuss American issues on this site cos most of members are American.. unless there is a discussion which is of interest 2 Americans, most show about as much interest as I do in grabbing the 1st guy that passes an shagging him rotten... in short none whatsoever.. you havent a clue what the rest of the world is like cos you dont want to know.. if indeed you lived in those countries you didn't learn a thing about them. How you think of the UK and Canada shows you haven't a clue... you are very ignorant, Pasa, and show all the insular ignorance of many of your compatriots.. not all are like u.. and I thank kismet for it..

..as it happens I dont think Americans are hateful, spiteful, ignorant and certainly dont think they are stupid.. far from it.. but I do think many are some or all of these things.. no people is immune from having many with these failings.. mine certainly isn't.

You didn't ruffle my feathers by the way. It takes arguments better than anything you have ever written to do that. In some ways I have tried not to laugh at the stupidity of them and at others I have almost screamed with frustration at one who seems only to repeat the worst prejudices and spiteful animosities of a freaky right wing which has long since been discredited.

Some of your arguments throughout your tenure on this site have frustrated the hell out of me I don't deny, but that is far from ruffling my feathers.. indeed the more I read of what you have said have increasingly sounded like the arguments of a very poor fifth columnist. But I don't mind.. you can talk all the crap you want for me.. the more you write, the less I am getting frustrated, and the more I laugh...:tong::bigrin:

[tenni]

Pasa
Ok...bringing it back to your presidents.

Which US presidency in the video was most like a Fascist government? Let's apply your words to your own government. You seem to be avoiding the obvious so that you may rant about socialism.

Obama?
Bush 2?
Clinton?
Bush 1 ?
Ford ?
Carter ?
Reagan ?

[rissababynta]

*lifts shirt and shimmies her boobies at everyone as a distraction*

There's my contribution to what seems to be another thread on it's way to an argument more so than a debate.


...I'll put the bad boys away when you all have kissed and made up :tong:

[tenni]

Damn...I missed it. Do it again?:bigrin:


*lifts shirt and shimmies her boobies at everyone as a distraction*

There's my contribution to what seems to be another thread on it's way to an argument more so than a debate.


...I'll put the bad boys away when you all have kissed and made up :tong:

[rissababynta]

LMFAO they are still out! Not going back in till everyone is nice again :-P

[tenni]

Pasa
I referred to social democracies and not socialism. Canada and Britain are not socialist countries but social democracies and even then Canada doesn't fit it that well. Our government parties shift just as the US government shifts depending upon what party is in power. Some of our political parties are strong proponents of less government and capitalism while others are a mix. Social democracies supports the idea of a democratic welfare state which incorporates elements of both socialism and capitalism. "The fundamental difference between social democratic thought and other forms of socialism, such as orthodox Marxism, is a belief in the primacy of political action as opposed to the primacy of economic action or economic determinism". There are aspects of socialism but not pure socialism. I think that darkeyes is referring to pure socialism and it seems to be her perspective that there is no country that is a socialist country. (despite your statement about living in socialist countries..and they were?)

Canada has some controls over enterprise but is basically a free market system. We do have restrictions on certain industries and natural resources to insure that they are not completely foreign owned. We do have universal healthcare and but it does not cover all health care issues like a socialist country would.

Now, which presidency in the video showed the most inclination to Fascism?:bigrin:

[tenni]

You generalize and place fascism and socialism together and as I wrote, they are no where near the same. Generally, a lot of people of your political leanings tend not to distinguish between the difference. The term socialism when referring to universal healthcare is not socialism at all. There is a tendency to exaggerate.

btw...I pick Bush 2 presidency as exhibiting fascist traits. I recall someone writing about how his presidency exhibited a majority of thirteen or so fascist traits. Mind you that may have been an exaggerations like referring to universal forms of health care as socialized medicine but there certainly were fascist tendencies to that presidency.

[darkeyes]

None. We don't brook with fascists. Never said any of them were.

And if Canada isn't a socialist state, then why did you get your knickers in a twist when I spoke poorly of socialism? Seems like derailing things, to me.

Pasa

Funnily enuff sum peeps believe in socialism.. don havta liv in socialist state 2 hav a pash for an ideology wich is intended 2 set peeps free, eliminate oppression, create true equality an get shot a poverty.. u may not like it but thats wot its 'bout.. am also a republican (in the propa sense a the word) an wud abolish the monarchy tomoz if me cud... me lives in a monarchy (as dus Tenni funnily enuff an even the same ole bat as Queen)..dusn mean cos we liv in 1 that we r pro monarchy or that bein anti monarchy we get stroppy bout it. Arguin an takin issue isn necessariy gettin stroppy an gettin our knickers in a twist.. it is arguin an takin issue.. if we got stroppy then u wud kno the difference..;)

[darkeyes]

Umm...See, this is the problem with trying to debate against multiple people. Tenni, who lives in Canada, chastised me for talking badly about socialism, who then said that I should be more accepting of those who like that style of govenment for themselves and referred to Canada as one such place.

"I" just took him at his word. If "you" don't think it's a socialist country, then take that up with him.

Much of your issue with my stance seems to come from the thought that I don't know what socialism is. Most of your speech about it seems to indicate that there are no truly socialist nations (at least, that's what I think you said...it was hard to tell).

So, allow me to revise. Socialism, as it has been tried in the world to date, has failed to be very good. This might be because men have screwed it up. Or it could be that the idea in itself is screwed up. I'm sure that's up for rational debate.

What you seem to describe most is what is called 'true' democracy. Where every person's vote counts. Is this what you consider socialism?

Pasa

No hun..point me is makin is that no 1 has tried socialism.. sum hav tried wot they called socialism, an even thats not always true cos even the ole Soviet Union reckoned that wot they practiced wos a necessary prerequisite on the road 2 socialism.. it wosn a course but ther ya r.. so yea..spose ya cud say men hav screwed it up..

.. an the democratic part? No hun that isn socialism but it is a ver small but important part cois wivout it ya go back 2 totalitarianism..an that Pasa is NOT wot socialism is 'bout....

.. an me still maintains ya havn a clue a wot socialism is an wot its 'bout..every word yas eva ritten 'bout it shows that 2 b the case.. western govts kno wot socialism is.. thats wy they r scared of it an misrepresent wot it is..as dus the media an as duo big biz interests an religious institutions world wide are not slow eitha in that regard.... if it has a prob it is that ruthless an unscrupulous bastards in many countries can use the word an the ideology 2 mobilise the poor, oppressed an dispossed inta a revolutionary militia or destructive civilian force .. that aint socialism eitha.. its ruthless an unscrupulous men usin an ideology for ther own ends.. bit like ruthless an unscrupulous men do for many ideologies..an o yea.. religions..

[rissababynta]

*puts boobies away*

Nevermind...the girls didn't work their magic this time :tongue:

[tenni]

Don't worry Rissa
We are fine. We just like to play differently on this site than you. :bigrin:


*puts boobies away*

Nevermind...the girls didn't work their magic this time :tongue:

[darkeyes]

Don't worry Rissa
We are fine. We just like to play differently on this site than you. :bigrin:

U talk for yasel Tenni hun!!! tee hee:tong:

[rissababynta]

U talk for yasel Tenni hun!!! tee hee:tong:

well, at least fran appreciates these puppies...

[tenni]

U talk for yasel Tenni hun!!! tee hee:tong:

LOL
I meant that we were not "fighting" and that is our way of playing.

Rissa
Post the puppies in your profile and then all may drool:bigrin:

[rissababynta]

LOL
I meant that we were not "fighting" and that is our way of playing.

Rissa
Post the puppies in your profile and then all may drool:bigrin:

hey, you can see enough of my puppies in my profile already damn it haha.