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IanBorthwick
Mar 18, 2009, 6:07 AM
The Conservatives have had a field day here in California since inviting others to vote on an amendment to California's State Constitution last November, their tactics were vulgar and despicable in the extreme. TV commercials about children have to learn about homosexual partnerships splashed all over the airwaves... making excuses how CURRENT schooling shouldn't have it as it has nothing to push a heterosexual bias. Uh.... anyone ever read ANY fairy tales? I guarantee it has Cinderella going to happily ever after with the prince, NOT the Fairy Godmother! The propaganda was riddled with negative stereotypes pointed directly at gays and lesbians as bad role models. I'd link them if I had the stomach to youtube them.

In any case, the day I went to vote I was treated to a paradox.

I stood in line, waiting to cast my ballot and what did I see? Unmarried fathers, joking about how they were going to vote down the Gay Marriages. All the while, little children, illegitimate, ran around free and untended. Moreover, there was a sign that said not to state your political views or push any rhetoric about how they would vote within 50 feet of the polling site, which was by the way a Baptist Church. No one stopped them, no one told them to shut up about shouting for Prop 8. I even asked and someone told me to mind my own business.

Funny enough, behind me was the guild leader of a guild on a PvP server wearing a Wrath of the Lich King shirt. All he did was shake his head and offer me his card.

Now, insult to injury, they fear that the Prop will be found (rightly so) to be against the 2nd and 10th amendments of the Bill of Rights. So what do they do? Push HARD with no evidence, a lot of fire-breathing and fear mongering and call it "Protection".

Now taste some of this and try not to vomit at the implications:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFhhrweJdXM&eurl=http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9662&feature=player_embedded

Fact is this is NOT based on science, or research or anything logical at all. It has more to do with heterosexual fathers who are unfit to raise a child than Gays and lesbians, AND YES even Bisexuals being good parents.

As of this moment, the full court press is on Bisexuals as well as on Same Sex Marriages. Military persons who appeared in a pride parade were given a DD: Dishonorable DIscharge. Why?

HERE'S WHAT THE MAJOR GAY LOBBIES IN DC SAY ABOUT BISEXUALS IN THE MILITARY:

"Support overturning the military ban against gays and lesbians"
(recent National Gay & Lesbian Task Force direct mail appeal)

"(during this 6 month period) being a gay man or a lesbian
will not disqualify a person from serving in the armed forces."
(recent Human Rights Campaign Fund direct mail appeal)

Because to BOTH sides we're invisible. Tapped when either side needs votes, remembered only when something is wanted of us, like Prop 8. Trashed to increase credibility when needed. The finger is pointed at us like we repel and repulse them when it allows them to show they are "cleaner" or better by comparison.

Homosexual rights will move forward, I can guarantee it, but it will happen because we will be driven down to suit them and improve their visibility. The proverbial Lambs to slaughter. In their own way, because of Mary Cheney, they have seen the light and are moving into the role of conservatism themselves.

Look even at Larry Craig, former US Senator. Bisexual, taught to hate himself and his desires in a conservative upbringing, caught doing things he should not have. The Conservative Right called him Gay, he denied it and that stopped all the help the Gay and Lesbian Political movers and shakers would have dolled out. He is Bi...holy smokes, he's not worth their time. SO now he's trying to make a living selling insurance, with a visibility that makes him unmarketable and struggling to live. There is even a TV real life show going to appear soon about his troubles, following him day to day. I've seen the previews and how he's,"Praying for forgiveness and praying to control his ungodly urges..."

Holy crap.

I don't go to Pride festivals anymore. They hurt too much to see people recognize and loath me for not being the L or the G in LGBT. That and I was worried my boss would find out and fire me, because I am "Gay" and gays are irresponsible and evil.
Anyway, I just wanted to post some videos from people younger than myself that are suffering, how the stereotypes affect us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7fmG0XRP3Q&feature=channel_page

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aedSWqoaA9A&feature=channel

And lastly, a video attempt to get onto LOGO channel which is a heartbreaker for anyone Bisexual. They are supposed to support us, and that channel spends 99% of its time portraying bisexuals, when they do portray us at all, as clowns, goofs, and any other ignorant negativism you have ever heard about us. It's an appeal to them that we are just like them, and for acceptance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBnxBN75qbg&feature=channel_page

It didn't win, btw.

_Joe_
Mar 18, 2009, 8:26 AM
Hmm....

Divorce rate of hovering at 50% (did some googling just now).

FOr 2005, 53% of those in prison were there for Violence, 20% for drugs (http://ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm).. can't find a recent statistic but for 2000, 36% of those incarcerated for any reason are married. , but 92% of those were men with minor children! (http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/08/MFS-IP/Incarceration&Family/ch2.shtml)

Ya, those darn queers are going to totally fuck up the perfectly balanced order of things.

PaulWaul
Mar 18, 2009, 10:36 AM
Amazing. Simply amazing.

Those vids were very interesting, particularly the last one.

This really pisses me off though.

FalconAngel
Mar 18, 2009, 3:24 PM
According all of to the parents rights groups, children of divorce who have only one parent in their life have the greatest probability of ending up in jail for drug use and/or violent crime.

They are statistically more likely to end up homeless and undereducated.

Those statistics make NO CLAIM as to parent gender.

As far as being raised by same sex parents, there is no evidence that children raised in such a home are any more or less likely to end up being gay/straight/Bi than children raised by opposite sex parents.
Children of gay couples have an equal likelihood of failing or succeeding in life as their straight-parent counterparts.

All that does matter, as it applies to the children, is that they are raised in a caring, non-abusive environment. For Gay parents, the probability that a male/female (whichever applies) can be met by uncles/aunts/grandparents/family friends. Just as those roles can be helped in children of divorce where both parents are involved in the child's life.

MarieDelta
Mar 18, 2009, 6:09 PM
Well I agree with you.

For too long our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters have pushed the last two letters clean out of any organizations.

The answer lies not in shutting down, shutting up and slinking away. The answer lies in being noisey - so noisey they cant ignore or forget us. When asked tell people you are Bisexual, being silent has never ever been a survival strategy that worked.

It wasnt when the Mattachine Society and Daughters of Billitus were the primary organizations, and it isnt now.

Harvey Milk didnt win by being quiet, acting straight and trying to blend in. He won by being himself, by telling his story and not shuting up(even when directed by the gay leadership.)

Measure 6 was not defeated by blending in and presenting it as a "Human Rights Issue"(sound familiar?) It was defeated by telling the story of every gay teacher that would lose their job, it was defeated by folks taking a chance and coming out of their closets and telling people "I am Gay" or "I am Lesbian" and this is my story.

In short we (the Bi and trans) need to make sure our stories get told, we need to put up or shut up. If we cant be out about who we are then we can hardly blame others for forgetting us. They need to hear our voices and see our faces, otherwise we fail to be heard as humans.

You know why it is called pride? Because for too long the police took advantage of shame to maltreat and abuse those who would not speak for fear of being labled gay or lesbian. Their rights (and ours) were not won by folks who slunk away into the shadows, they were won by folks who had nothing left to lose. Transwomen, transmen, fags, dykes and homeless who simply had nowhere further to fall. These are our ancestors, our forefathers and foremothers. these are the folks who should be our role models.

Lonewolf76
Mar 18, 2009, 6:30 PM
Well I agree with you.

For too long our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters have pushed the last two letters clean out of any organizations.

The answer lies not in shutting down, shutting up and slinking away. The answer lies in being noisey - so noisey they cant ignore or forget us. When asked tell people you are Bisexual, being silent has never ever been a survival strategy that worked.

It wasnt when the Mattachine Society and Daughters of Billitus were the primary organizations, and it isnt now.

Harvey Milk didnt win by being quiet, acting straight and trying to blend in. He won by being himself, by telling his story and not shuting up(even when directed by the gay leadership.)

Measure 6 was not defeated by blending in and presenting it as a "Human Rights Issue"(sound familiar?) It was defeated by telling the story of every gay teacher that would lose their job, it was defeated by folks taking a chance and coming out of their closets and telling people "I am Gay" or "I am Lesbian" and this is my story.

In short we (the Bi and trans) need to make sure our stories get told, we need to put up or shut up. If we cant be out about who we are then we can hardly blame others for forgetting us. They need to hear our voices and see our faces, otherwise we fail to be heard as humans.

You know why it is called pride? Because for too long the police took advantage of shame to maltreat and abuse those who would not speak for fear of being labled gay or lesbian. Their rights (and ours) were not won by folks who slunk away into the shadows, they were won by folks who had nothing left to lose. Transwomen, transmen, fags, dykes and homeless who simply had nowhere further to fall. These are our ancestors, our forefathers and foremothers. these are the folks who should be our role models.

Very well spoken Marie - and I couldn't agree with you more!!!!! If you want change - be the VOICE of change!

IanBorthwick
Mar 19, 2009, 5:05 AM
Then how do we come together...where do we come together? I refuse to go to the Gay and Lesbian centers to become a political pawn of the lady from West Hollywood. Seriously...she seems as bad as Tia Tequilla. Last thing I want is to be demanded faction fealty of by her when what we need to do is make our presence felt. Putting a strutting peacock(or peahen) at the front is less effective than many would imagine.

A sea of faces that match their own will not appear from thin air so long as they try to categorize us as them or straight. That is Bi-Erasure.

We need to have a place in the Prides. Right? Haven't seen one in the West Hollywood pride nor the one in Long Beach. The West Hollywood one, at least, has a T section. Albeit shuffled into the back next to the Karaoke and the Inflatable Sumo Wrestling.

MarieDelta
Mar 19, 2009, 5:25 AM
We need to start organizing. That is the first step. Then we can either find a place in the pride, or as the trans in SF have done, have our own parade.

But first we need to make a community, and that may be the hardest most heartbreaking work. Community building takes time, but we need to start somewhere. How we will do it I'm not sure, but we need to bring our community together with our common concerns.

If you need to ignore existing power structures, then , so be it. Because right now having traveled a fair bit, I haven’t seen any organizing being done for bisexuals.

allbimyself
Mar 19, 2009, 9:49 AM
Hah! Homosexuals don't exist! They are really bisexuals who are afraid of saying they are bi because they don't want to be buried under the stereotypes of being greedy, undecided and unfaithful!

AshMash
Mar 19, 2009, 10:29 AM
We need to start organizing. That is the first step. Then we can either find a place in the pride, or as the trans in SF have done, have our own parade.

But first we need to make a community, and that may be the hardest most heartbreaking work. Community building takes time, but we need to start somewhere. How we will do it I'm not sure, but we need to bring our community together with our common concerns.

If you need to ignore existing power structures, then , so be it. Because right now having traveled a fair bit, I haven’t seen any organizing being done for bisexuals.

I'm game! <3


Hah! Homosexuals don't exist! They are really bisexuals who are afraid of saying they are bi because they don't want to be buried under the stereotypes of being greedy, undecided and unfaithful!

And SO not true... i would like to think so.. but sadly no...

allbimyself
Mar 19, 2009, 12:22 PM
*sigh*
I was reversing the arguments of bi-bashing homosexuals. I was not seriously suggesting homosexuality doesn't exist.

rissababynta
Mar 19, 2009, 12:32 PM
*sigh*
I was reversing the arguments of bi-bashing homosexuals. I was not seriously suggesting homosexuality doesn't exist.

I got it allbi haha