Karen Carpenter.

[DiamondDog]

Close to you! On the day that you were born the angels got together!

And decided to create a dream come true!

"At least she (Karen Carpenter) wasn't fat."-An inside joke that someone who is very, Close to me! says.


But she was phat!

Ok, she had a beautiful voice and a nice range as far as female pop singers go.

But it's sad that she was in one of the world's richest countries, she's a rich pop star, and millions of people on the planet are starving to death or dying from dysentery, and she wouldn't eat and kept taking laxatives and chugging Ipecac Syrup.

Anyone here ever see the movie Superstar: The Karen Carpenter story?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094075/

[bisexualinsocal]

"At least she (Karen Carpenter) wasn't fat."-An inside joke that someone who is very, Close to me! says.



Ok, she had a beautiful voice and a nice range as far as female pop singers go.

But it's sad that she was in one of the world's richest countries, she's a rich pop star, and millions of people on the planet are starving to death or dying from dysentery, and she wouldn't eat and kept taking laxatives and chugging Ipecac Syrup.

Anyone here ever see the movie Superstar: The Karen Carpenter story?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094075/



Yeah what happened to KC was sad indeed. What a waste of talent and looks! What could drive a chick like that to the point of self-abuse is beyond me but most people blame it on the parents.... and that ain't a bad place to start.

[sometimesitbethatway]

Ive seen it. its hard to find a copy of it but its actually done really well even though he uses dolls for actors. It tells the story well and its really haunting actually

[MissySue]

Yeah what happened to KC was sad indeed. What a waste of talent and looks! What could drive a chick like that to the point of self-abuse is beyond me but most people blame it on the parents.... and that ain't a bad place to start.

Yep, I agree. Except, individuals all have issues. Her's were about her fame, or family, I'm guessing. Regardless, it's sad, cuz lots of us have been there, otherwise, we would be here, right? And in my own experience of knowing people like us, we have a higher rate of enjoying punishment. Don't flame me, please. OK, you can, but, I'm just stating my observations; not my desires. :bigrin:

[bisexualinsocal]

Yep, I agree. Except, individuals all have issues. Her's were about her fame, or family, I'm guessing. Regardless, it's sad, cuz lots of us have been there, otherwise, we would be here, right? And in my own experience of knowing people like us, we have a higher rate of enjoying punishment. Don't flame me, please. OK, you can, but, I'm just stating my observations; not my desires. :bigrin:

LOL. I'll take the ante up even further. I'm guessing a lot of bisexuals are not bisexual at all and are instead trying to find an escape from self.

[bisexualinsocal]

What a stupid thing to say. You can say that about pretty much EVERY emotion. Besides, it's old. There's even a featured article that is similar to what you are claiming here.

Yeah you're right. You can say that about every emotion and variation on life, including bisexuality, love, anger, hate, addiction, homosexuality, polyamoury, shoplifting, kindness, generosity etc etc....

Yeah you can say that and I just did. It's amazing to what lengths people will go to escape from self. The extremes can go from self-abuse to the selfless existence. Just ask an alcoholic or drug addict or a charity volunteer.

[void()]

How will someone know their true feelings if they convince themselves that they have other feelings?

A bit of a long stretch here and I may be incorrect, but uh ... by asking themselves how they feel?

Of course, you have some doing this on a regular basis already. It's called having personal responsibility. And sometimes, not always, but sometimes these folks genuinely have nothing 'wrong' with themselves aside from thinking a bit off kilter from the rest of the eggs in the basket. That's called diversity of thought and opinion, something that is 'good' in most 'standard' views of all things considered.

Now, may we further converse without vast generalities that isolate, alienate and in short act as exclusionary techniques? Or do we continue to bicker over petty nonsense? We're all one race, the human race. We all feel all these emotions, each responding to them differently. So what?

As long as someone doesn't go off and create a new religion which promotes suicide bombings, it's all 'good' right?

Void asks this while gathering hundreds of electric monks together in order to worship Sporks and Silly Putty, claiming them as new universal overlords. :)

[nothings5d]

Yeah you're right. You can say that about every emotion and variation on life, including bisexuality, love, anger, hate, addiction, homosexuality, polyamoury, shoplifting, kindness, generosity etc etc....

You forgot to add heterosexuality into the list, if you're going to include both bi and homo you should include hetero...

Odd, firefox recognizes bi and homo as spelled correctly, but not hetero...

[bisexualinsocal]

You forgot to add heterosexuality into the list, if you're going to include both bi and homo you should include hetero...

Odd, firefox recognizes bi and homo as spelled correctly, but not hetero...

I disagree since heterosexuality is the de facto norm in societies.

[void()]

Are you one of those incredibly naive people that think that other people always tell the truth?

It's not a question of me being naive. It's a question of why would anyone lie to themselves? That was where I was going and taking personal responsibility has great impact on that issue. Ask yourself how you feel. Going to lie to yourself or not? Your choice either way, your responsibility.

Sorry if I didn't articulate the point clearly enough.

[bisexualinsocal]

Are you one of those incredibly naive people that think that other people always tell the truth?

As opposed to being one of those people who always suspect everyone of telling lies? If that's the suspicion you live with, what's that say about you?

[Eddie altamonte]

LOL. I'll take the ante up even further. I'm guessing a lot of bisexuals are not bisexual at all and are instead trying to find an escape from self.
Huh? you gotta be kidding me!

[stuporman]

If Karen Carpenter had eaten Momma Cass' sandwich, they'd both still be alive!
-Author unknown

PS When a man has my kind of luck in the sex department, it takes a lot of self control to restrain the urge to go downtown and throw a brick through the window of the local swingers club... sex should NOT be this hard to get...

[DiamondDog]

If Karen Carpenter had eaten Momma Cass' sandwich, they'd both still be alive!
-Author unknown

PS When a man has my kind of luck in the sex department, it takes a lot of self control to restrain the urge to go downtown and throw a brick through the window of the local swingers club... sex should NOT be this hard to get...

How do you have bad luck in that department? Why is sex hard for you to get?

[void()]

As opposed to being one of those people who always suspect everyone of telling lies? If that's the suspicion you live with, what's that say about you?

No I don't always suspect folks lie. In my opinion, you're attempting to create a debate where none exists. Apologies but I'm not interested in such a debate. Pissing in the wind is for the foolish and ends my desire to converse.

Here you can see the conversation laid out by the numbers.

1. You asked how a person was to know their own feelings.

2. I said they can ask themselves.

3. You then suggested they could lie to themselves.

4. I asked why anyone would want to lie to themselves.

You've not answered why a person would desire lying to themselves. Instead you've attempted to analyze me. You failed in that attempt. I'm still awaiting answer.

Here, let's do it by the numbers again:

1. I do no suspect folks lie to themselves.

2. You suggest they do.

3. I ask why they want to lie to themselves?

So, ultimately it appears to be your suspicion that folks lie to themselves. What does it say about you? Notice, I say it appears to be this way. It may in fact not be that way. I have no way to know you from Joe Smith.

And no I'm not analyzing you, merely reflecting and redirecting your conversation back to --- well the conversation. But, if you no longer seek to converse, say so and I'll wander along. I'm out nothing either way.

[bisexualinsocal]

As opposed to being one of those people who always suspect everyone of telling lies? If that's the suspicion you live with, what's that say about you?

No I don't always suspect folks lie. In my opinion, you're attempting to create a debate where none exists. Apologies but I'm not interested in such a debate. Pissing in the wind is for the foolish and ends my desire to converse.

Here you can see the conversation laid out by the numbers.

1. You asked how a person was to know their own feelings.

2. I said they can ask themselves.

3. You then suggested they could lie to themselves.

4. I asked why anyone would want to lie to themselves.

You've not answered why a person would desire lying to themselves. Instead you've attempted to analyze me. You failed in that attempt. I'm still awaiting answer.

Here, let's do it by the numbers again:

1. I do no suspect folks lie to themselves.

2. You suggest they do.

3. I ask why they want to lie to themselves?

So, ultimately it appears to be your suspicion that folks lie to themselves. What does it say about you? Notice, I say it appears to be this way. It may in fact not be that way. I have no way to know you from Joe Smith.

And no I'm not analyzing you, merely reflecting and redirecting your conversation back to --- well the conversation. But, if you no longer seek to converse, say so and I'll wander along. I'm out nothing either way.

That's a looooong reply for someone who doesn't care to piss in the wind.

[dafydd]

"At least she (Karen Carpenter) wasn't fat."-An inside joke that someone who is very, Close to me! says.



Ok, she had a beautiful voice and a nice range as far as female pop singers go.

But it's sad that she was in one of the world's richest countries, she's a rich pop star, and millions of people on the planet are starving to death or dying from dysentery, and she wouldn't eat and kept taking laxatives and chugging Ipecac Syrup.

Anyone here ever see the movie Superstar: The Karen Carpenter story?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094075/

she was ANOEREXIC!! Money doesn't buy you happiness. And the pressures of the music business probably didn't help.

[Skater Boy]

I'm told that Eating Disorders are like a form of "mental illness". So... it proabably doesn't matter what country she resided in or how rich she was. I don't think geography and finance were the key issues that were really pushing her to abuse her body (although they may have played a part). There were clearly other issues involved...

[DiamondDog]

she was ANOEREXIC!! Money doesn't buy you happiness. And the pressures of the music business probably didn't help.

I take it you've never read the acid house?