about time someone said it

[Reprob8]

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/51259/Bush_Getting_OOOOWNED.html

[jedinudist]

pardon my language but...

HALLE-Fucking-LUJAH!!!!!!!!!!

[Jennz]

i totally agree with what that man said and im canadian, theres too much fear in the US

[Lateralus]

Pardon my cynisim, but that speech is 2 years too late.

[Reprob8]

Pardon my cynisim, but that speech is 2 years too late.

Some people have been saying similar stuff since the idiot got in office

[arana]

People were saying things like this before the last elections, yet there he sits, re-elected and doing the same ole crap.

[metasexual]

This speech IS 2 years old. It was given on the floor of the House in early October 2004. It was mostly buried in the run-up to the November 2004 election by coverage of the candidates. Tim Ryan is great, I wish there were more Democrats like him.

[canuckotter]

Yeah, that's pretty good. :)

[Brian]

People were saying things like this before the last elections, yet there he sits, re-elected and doing the same ole crap. Too true. And you can see with the administration's speeches of this week that the same game plan is going into action again. Will it work a third time?

I really hope for the sake of western civilization that the Democrats can pull it together this time. I think the economy is MUCH softer than some say. Real wages down in the last 5 years when taking into account inflation, as just one example. The one thing that would make life unbearable I think would be to have a recession on top of all this other shit going on.

Come on my fellow liberals and centrists! Make the case this time!!!

- Drew :paw:

[Chaia]

Hear, hear!!

[whichway06]

I did not see what was on the link in the first post, my computer would not open the web page. But in response to things written hear I have to put my thoughts to this thread. I do not fit in with religion but I do not disagree with God, I do not identify as being Republican or Democrat or any other party. I do not call myself liberal or conservative. We all have labels that we give ourselves so I will give myself the label as a Bisexual American Citizen.
People give other people labels and saddly most often it's out of hate, I do agree some people fit some labels because of their evil intent. But this label giving is a great cause of divission between people and groups of people. I have read so many strories and articals on many gay, lesbian and bisexual web sites and from other sources, I see just as much hate and anger promoted by the gay, lesbian and bisexual communtiy as any other group.
If you really want to get into politics without bias then you will agree with this. Neither the republicans nor the democrats work for the best interests of the people, both parties are self serving. Both parties do not listen to "we the people". Why? Because there no longer is "we the people" American citizens are complainers not do'ers. The United States is a Constitutional Republic, government by the people for the people. But we the people gave this up for our own selfish reasons.
The Republican party stands on the grounds that the United States was founded on the christain church and tries to impose religious rule on the people ignoring the first amendment. If we the people would do more research you would know that the founding fathers who wrote the constitution agreed and put in writting that the U.S. is not founded on the christain church. The Democratic party has never liked the constitution because it limits their power over we the people. The Democratic party has a very long history of trying to dismantle the constitution.
As for financal well being in America, yes we have a problem of greed but if you take a serious look at people and money without the biased views of American news media. In America if you want to make a lot of money you can, the people that have no money are the ones that limit themselves and blame the government for being poor or having less money. The United States government does not dictate how much money a person makes, anyone that believes that the U.S. government controls how much money people can make a year is, well , a dump ass that lives in a closed box.
There are hundreds of thousands of rags to riches stories in America, why? Because people get up off their butts and work hard at what they want. Why? Because in American you can and there is noone that is going to stop you from going after what you want. In fact there are thousands of rich people in America that work very hard to give anyone who wants to work hard the chance to make a lot of money.
Mr. Bush does not have the power to stop American citizens from making what ever amount of money we want. Unless you listen to the crap in the news media. Most businesses and people that lose money lose it because of poor business decissions not because of the Federal government.
I could go on forever but I can say this as a retired business owner, the federal, state, or local governments in America do not control how much money people can make. If you want to argue about all the lost jobs in America over the last ten years then give Bill Clinton a call and bitch at him for his free trade agreement. I know many will pick this apart but I do not care the truth is we limit ourselves in all things in America.

[Reprob8]

I did not see what was on the link in the first post, my computer would not open the web page. But in response to things written hear I have to put my thoughts to this thread. I do not fit in with religion but I do not disagree with God, I do not identify as being Republican or Democrat or any other party. I do not call myself liberal or conservative. We all have labels that we give ourselves so I will give myself the label as a Bisexual

here is another link


http://media.spikedhumor.com/A388BB07-5A03-4EBE-AF86-078B60BD3A28/51259/zWkHBMJYRfft%5B1%5D.wmv

[Herbwoman39]

Forgive me for my cynicism but so-friggin-what?? I hear LOTS of complaining but I don't see anyone DOING anything about it. People bitch about the war, the economy, gas prices, etc, but no one is DOING a damn thing about it.

It's all well and good that he voiced his oppinion but it didn't do any good. I hear complaints out of Washington and fellow US citizens but that's ALL I hear. I have yet to hear a FEASABLE answer to ANY of this.

The Fair Tax would be a reasonable solution to some of the economial issues if people will educate themselves and their representatives. We're stuck with this war though. If we withdraw now it's just going to go riht back down the dumper.

We can't just complain problems away. There HASto be action and an answer. Otherwise we're just playing with ourselves.

[Melymel]

i have to agree with herbwoman stop bitching and do something about it yeah its fucked up but unless ur gonna fix it or u have some idea on how to do so dont complain

things in this county are volitile since the prick has been in office

[Avocado]

I think it's time for an everything else board

[DiamondDog]

I think it's time for an everything else board
I agree.
I come here to type/write/discuss sexuality and not politics/religion/spirituality.

[Herbwoman39]

Amen to that DD!

[steve10557]

We get the government we deserve if we are lazy and dont think about the issues enough and vote for the wrong guy, or unlucky enough to let unscrupulous people rule our lives, unfortunately politics attracts the wrong kind of people as well those that may actually be able to do some good. I expect it's always been said in every generation that 'we're living in difficult times', its in our own hands to change things for the better if we are living in a world where anti-social behaviour is becoming the norm, keep nagging at our political representatives to make tomorrow a better place. These forums are a microcosm of the world at large, so we have to accept that people, no matter what their sexuality, have issues that are important to them, but at least we have somewhere to blow off a little steam.

Well.. we all managed to get our hands out of our loins long enough to type!
Anyone fancy a roll around on the carpet?

[Avocado]

I'm not saying I object to political discussion, but it seems the only political posts are droning on about George Bush's foreign policy. I marched against the war in 2003, hate George Bush with a passion, and am against the plastic war on terror for reasons I've already stated on here. But for God's sake, where's the posts against Bush's domestic policy (bearing in mind this is a bisexual board!) where's the posts against Osama Bin Laden?

[smokey]

I have a hard time connecting G. Bush and western civilization. :bigrin:

I always think about what Ghandi said when he was asked what he thought of it (western civilization) "It would be a good idea. " :eek: :eek: :eek:

Unless the Republicans manage to steal the mid-terms (and I wouldn't put it past them) the senate and possibly the house will go democratic and I would love to see them start digging into this administrations pile of dirt. Unfortunately I don't expect much watching congressional democrats try and do something bold is way too much like watching invertrabrates try and stand up. Its too pathetic for words....and I am a life long democrat.

[smokey]

I agree.
I come here to type/write/discuss sexuality and not politics/religion/spirituality.




but sexuality is as much about politics, religion and spirituality as it is about anything else and in many ways it is far more about those things than it is about how you get your cookies off.

[Avocado]

but sexuality is as much about politics, religion and spirituality as it is about anything else and in many ways it is far more about those things than it is about how you get your cookies off.

Al-Qaeda are out to get queers far more than even Bush and co ever were, but there are never any topics against Al-Qaeda, why?

[DiamondDog]

but sexuality is as much about politics, religion and spirituality as it is about anything else and in many ways it is far more about those things than it is about how you get your cookies off.
true.

I do see orientation labels as being nothing but politics now which is why I avoid them in describing myself. If they were ever about behaviour, they're not anymore.

[NightHawk]

This had no relevance to bisexuality at all. It was simply a one-sided gloss of some complex issues pertaining to foreign policy. These issues are so complex that both the Democrat and Republican viewpoints have been many times in serious error. In fact, war is usually replete with errors.

If you have studied WWII, you are aware that it was a very preventable war. You are also aware of the huge, daily number of mistakes in fighting it, especially early in the war. WWII was very different than WWI and many lessons had to be learned. The Allies were slower, initially, in learning them than were the Axis powers. When we figured things out, we overwhelmed them, and yet there were daily tragedies. This is the nature of war. It is why we should not take it lightly.

But, admitting the tragedy of war is not to say that we should not fight when we must. We tried to avoid WWII and paid a great price for that. We fought in Korea and Vietnam in a half-hearted way and paid a great price in each case.

There is a real need to stand up for the values of Western Civilization against the demand on the part of many fundamentalist Moslems that everyone accept their religion and their Sharia law. We cannot acquiesce to that.

By the way, George W. Bush did not start the war in Iraq. Saddam Hussein started it when he invaded Kuwait and continued it when he failed to live up to the armistice conditions. One of the things he did was to fire almost daily upon American planes and their pilots, which is and always has been an act of war. Clinton should have responded and failed to do so. This sort of Democrat failure to slap down acts of war is the alternative to Bush's less than perfect (or great) planning. Allowing the belligerent bully to shoot at you at will is a sure path to defeat. Sharia is on its way down that path. You might at least think about how compatible Sharia is with bisexuality.

I realize that discussing issues with the socialist left is the equivalent of discussing them with the religious right. The socialist left is as religious in its beliefs as the fundamentalist rightist, though he may not believe in God, no facts need stand in the way. I just do not like the equation that to be sexual or bisexual is to be of the religious socialist left. So I make my statement into the howling wind, but hope that some day people will understand that sexual freedom, freedom of speech, the freedom to work and create, the freedom to built wealth and property, the right to privacy, the freedom to learn, and the freedom to choose one's health care are all essential to the health of the thinking individual and the flourishing civilization. Dividing these freedoms up and giving some to Democrats and some to Republicans is the worst kind of foolishness. However much they may wish to differentiate themselves from one another, the individual human being needs all of these freedoms, not just half or less of them.

[whichway06]

Nighthawk your statement was very good. I have a big problem with the gay, lesbian and bisexual community when it comes to politics. For the most part what I see is if you are one of these then it's asumed you are a full fledged democrat and you despise republicans. I receive a lot of bashing because I am bisexual and I refuse to identify as a democrat. I get bashed because I support some republicans.
This is who I am and how I identify myself, I am a bisexual American citizen that is very involved in working to protect the Constitution of the United States. I love my home land and my freedoms.
Many in the gay, lesbian and bisexual community are falling all over themselves wanting Hillary Clinton to be our next president. How many realize that Hillary is not a friend of the gay, lesbian and bisexual community. With this Clinton in office the gay, lesbian and bisexual community may lose a lot of ground. Every gay, lesbian and bisexual I have spoke to say they will vote for her because she is democrat. I wrote many factual letters on being gay, lesbian and bisexual on the subject of same sex marriage and sent them to both republican and democrats. These letters where not received well by either party. Most democrats in Washington are just as against the gay, lesbian and bisexual community as the republicans.
Our goal as being gay, lesbian or bisexual is not any different than anyone else. "PROTCT OUR FREEDOMS SO WE CAN GAIN FREEDOM" How many people take a close look at who they are going to vote for? How many people write letters or call canidates or elected officials and ask them personally and ask them where they stand on issues? How many people depend on getting to know a canidate or elected official by watching the news media like ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN. If you rely on these outlets you have lost the fight and will never receive the knownledge you need.
How many people on this site wrote a letters and made phone calls to there elected officials concerning same sex marriage? I know the majority of gays, lesbians and bisexuals sat on their hands and figured that the out spoken groups will handle this for me so I do not need to open my mouth. One of the things an elected official looks for is how many people contact them on a certain subject. This is how they vote on a bill 97% of the time, I have been involved in the politics game for a long time and the American people have turned America over to Washington willingly. Washington is listening to the people less and less every year because we the people are not telling Washington what we want. I said it before, Americans are complainers not do'ers. You want bisexual freedom, then protect freedom and speak out for it. Politics is a very big part of our lives and it should be talked about on this forum in a manner of getting people organized to protect and gain freedom not just to bitch and complain.

[Avocado]

And also, left-wing people should not be made to feel like they should be thinking this or that, just as queers shouldn't be made to feel that there's something wrong with them for not being in favour of "gay" adoption with the law the way it is. Remember that people from capitals get screwed over more than anyone else, this is especially the case in London, where Londoners are priced out their own city.

[smokey]

I realize that discussing issues with the socialist left is the equivalent of discussing them with the religious right. The socialist left is as religious in its beliefs as the fundamentalist rightist, though he may not believe in God, no facts need stand in the way.


There has never been a viable socialist left in this country. And what was there was systematically destroyed until the early 80's there was barely a vestiage remaining. Even in its heyday it never had the clout attributed to it and certianly not the power of that the hard right wields today. As for the religious comment, the vast majority of us on the liberal end of the spectrum are just as religious as those on the right, we just don't make a big display of it and we understand the teachings of Jesus in a open hearted and humane way as opposed to the narrow minded and punative ways of the right.

[coyotedude]

You know, there is nothing wrong with bi folks arguing politics. Politics affect us as much as they affect everyone else.

Personally, I am an American left-wing wacko and proud of it. The politics of George W. Bush make my stomach turn. What passes for a foreign policy from this Fraudministration has brought great ruin to thousands of lives and left our good names as Americans in the mud. Shrub has mishandled the real immediate and long-term threats to the US and the world (such as Al-Qaeda, nuclear proliferation in southern and eastern Asia, and the Israeli-Palestinian disaster) and created new ones (e.g., the new terrorist training ground that is now Iraq). It will take years for the US to recover from the ruin of Shrub's domestic policy - if we're lucky.

Despite my liberal ranting, however, I am glad to see others in this thread who do not share my views and are willing to challenge my perspective. Diversity is not just about race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation; diversity is about different ways of looking at the world. Frankly, I learn more from people who don't agree with me and are willing to share their own views and experiences. Preaching to the choir all the time just makes our words stale and meaningless.

So feel free to disagree!

Peace