Rape Away The Gay?...

[æonpax]

.....Radio Personality Tells Father To Get A Man To Rape His Daughter Until She Turns Straight -

A radio personality in Cleveland is facing tremendous backlash after telling a father that he should get one of his male friends to rape his daughter to force her to turn straight.

In response to an email from a father who suspected his daughter was gay after discovering her kissing another girl, DJ Dominic Deiter declared on the air that “You should get one of your friends to screw your daughter straight.”

You read that correctly. An apparently anti-gay radio personality told a father that he should arrange for his daughter to be raped repeatedly until she magically turns straight. Source; http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/04/28/rape-away-the-gay/

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This kind of hateful and barbaric anti-gay talk has become all too common in the US. As gays, and yes, bisexuals, gain on asserting their legal rights, the backlash from the right has become more ferocious and violent. Such are the times we live in.

[Long Duck Dong]

this is the reason why I would fail as a pacifist ( no offense, fran ).... there are times that words fail me and I would express myself in other ways.....

while its a form of anti gay / bi remark.... personally I would hear the cries and voices of so many people of all races, sexualities, genders... ringing in my ears as I * discussed * the issue with the radio announcer.....

I can only wonder at the fathers reaction at what was said... as any decent father would be one of the first people to want to *talk * to the radio announcer about the remarks regarding his daughter.........

I think I need a drink and about 3 weeks to calm down......

[elian]

The thought of someone being forced to have sex against their will is disgusting. Why stop there, I would suggest to the radio guy that he bend over and see how much he likes getting screwed? Sometimes these people don't think before they speak.

Oh and is it stating the obvious to say that just because you have one kiss doesn't mean you're "gay" ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1-ip47WYWc

[Jobelorocks]

It is disgusting that anyone would suggest such a thing. Raping gay people would only traumatize the victim and do nothing to make them straight. It reminds me of some therapies used to turn gays straight where they show them pornographic images of both genders and when it is their own gender they get a small electric shock. This treatment usually just ended up making the person have an aversion to sexuality instead of turning them straight. Treatments that aim to turn people straight have very high levels of depression and suicide. They also have very little to (what I suspect is the case) no real results.

[Gearbox]

What kind of response did the father expect from an anti-gay radio personality? I feel very sorry for that daughter, having a father like that. Hopefully his response sickened him and made him realise that his daughter needs his protection, not fear or judgement.

[DuckiesDarling]

okay in reading the article... I take offense to the use of RAPE. The actual remark is crude and homophobic but he did not mention rape.


"In response to an email from a father who suspected his daughter was gay after discovering her kissing another girl, DJ Dominic Deiter declared on the air that “You should get one of your friends to screw your daughter straight.”

The use of the word is just sensationalizing the statement. It was wrong, yes, but the obvious tar and feather job by adding the word Rape to a shock jock's statement is poor reporting in every sense of the word.

You can't make anyone gay or straight or bi, you can't make anyone anything they aren't already. But let's leave it at discussing the actual remark and it's context instead of playing the "rape" card.

[csrakate]

DD, the very suggestion that the father should get one of his friends to "screw your daughter straight" implies that rape is involved. He didn't say, "have one of your friends take your daughter to dinner, get her all excited and then proceed to make mad, passionate love to her". No where in the statement, "screw your daughter straight" do I hear a shred of consent from the daughter. Sounds like rape to me.

[Gearbox]

DD, yes I wondered about that too. Thought it was a bit extreme to use the term 'Rape'. But that's how that statement comes across. It's cold, calculating and without consent.
But in what other context can you put "Screw your daughter straight!" into? The impression is that she won't like a man to fuck her. It would be against her will (IF she is actually gay), and NOT her decision, but her fathers & 'friend'. They'd be 'correcting' her against her will.

[DuckiesDarling]

Thing is... we don't know all the facts. Yes, it was a shock jock's statement, that's what they do, cause controversy. We don't know if the daughter is gay or bisexual or straight and just kissing a friend goodbye as a means of showing non sexual affection. But if anything was done against a person's will, yes it's rape, but the word rape was not used by the shock jock and people making headlines with it devalues the impact of the real problem with the statement. The bias against anyone not seen "normal". So I stand by what I said, the use of the word "rape" in the headline and in this title is just sensationalism.

[12voltman59]

That story has been posted on Facebook today by a number of people----this does go show that the right wing side of things has become sort of unhinged--and its pretty sad that on their side---saying something this vile is "really no big deal"----like I said---to be so far this way---it is really allowing the darkening of not only the mind, but of our hearts and souls.

Pretty much does sound like he is advocating something that is very close to rape to me--no matter-it is of course homophobic--and it surely doesn't show much respect for the wants and wishes of the woman--only what the men want of course and of course---lets face it--for far too many men----the only real value they see in a woman is that she is good for sex, maybe pumping out a few kids, keeping the house clean and cooking dinner---but not much else. They sure as hell don't care for women all that much, in fact--they pretty much hate them--and surely they don't like that women ever got any degree of independence.

[12voltman59]

double posting

[Gearbox]

Well DD, to be fair, the DJ could have responded to that e-mail sarcastically. I can imagine that far easier than imagining that he was seriously suggesting that a dad should organise the rape of his daughter.
But as you said, we don't know the details. There are no transcripts to to form an opinion on other than ONE sentence from the DJ.

Kangaroo court?:tongue:

[darkeyes]

okay in reading the article... I take offense to the use of RAPE. The actual remark is crude and homophobic but he did not mention rape.



The use of the word is just sensationalizing the statement. It was wrong, yes, but the obvious tar and feather job by adding the word Rape to a shock jock's statement is poor reporting in every sense of the word.

You can't make anyone gay or straight or bi, you can't make anyone anything they aren't already. But let's leave it at discussing the actual remark and it's context instead of playing the "rape" card.
And it meant what else Darlin' darlin? The word may not have been used but its pretty plain that's the proposition...

[Nextyearsxmassgifts]

I know this post is long. But I believe its important.

That is incredible!!!! “You should get one of your friends to screw your daughter straight.” This is whats wrong with our society. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing. But not carrying what the repercussions of your speech my result in is immoral and irresponsible. The loss of morality comes from the support of the sick minded like this "shock jock." This radio station like many others is owned by Clear Channel. Clear Channel is also owned primarily by Bain Capital. I only point this out because Thats where the support comes from. Heartless corporations primarily right wing conservative corporations.

The right wing a.k.a Republican or the party of "morality." Keep sickos like this on the air! The American people and yes this includes us in the LGBT community. Dont do anything to stop it. Protesting on here is only talking to us in the community. We already know its wrong, sick, and yes evil. To even suggest that you could "screw" someone straight. Yes the media dose sensationalize almost everything today. But the use of the word RAPE in this case is not sensationalizing. To FORCE someone is to take away choice. Rape may only be seen as sexual penetration without consent by some. But This girl may be straght or bi. Thats not what the father said he said gay. So they are working under the premiss she is gay. That means she dosnt want to be penetrated by his male friend. So yes that fits the definition of RAPE!!! The host just didnt use the word. I could tell you to push your friend off a cliff. I didnt use the word murder. But thats what it would be. The headline would read "Shock jock told him to murder his friend."

The girl and her father have become almost irrelevant at this point in the story. It has now become a story about the "shock jock" and Clear Channel along with Bain Capital. Like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity. They will keep this person on the air. Most have no idea how Clear Channel, Bain Capital, and other right wing corporations influence our media and Gov't. The LGBT community needs to do a better job in uncovering and exposing this to the public. Fallow the money and boycott the companies! Green is the only thing they care about! Making signs and having protests are good to bring awareness. But it brings vary little true repercussions for their actions. Avoid giving your money to those who advertize on Clear Channel and the shows that say such things. Rush Limbaugh is still on the air because he makes Clear Channel money. If he cost them money, they will kick him to the curb faster then Bain passes bad dept to Hostess. Its all about the MONEY!!! Take that away and you take away there voice....

[elian]

Well that's pretty much it right? The radio show is in it for ratings, so if they say something that draws attention to the show, without actually getting canceled that can only be a "good thing" right? At least maybe from some demented point of view. I do not listen to AM radio around here because it is FULL of people who rail on and on about an issue without any necssary basis in fact - they start with a tiny little premise and just talk and talk for hours..very angry people..well that, plus there is an advertisement every five minutes.

[jem_is_bi]

This story seems to fit in with fantasies, depicted in porn, where a straight guy is converted to a homosexual by being forced, blackmailed, or coerced into gay sex acts. This premise has always seemed very strange to me. But, with a couple of more ingredients, it becomes more than that.
This DJ, Dominic Deiter, may have a major fantasy about converting “hot” lesbian women using his awesome male sexual prowess. In fact, it seems the distinction between fantasy and reality has dissolved in this individual, just as it has in other “shock jock” types. It seems the formula for that to happen is: One part arrogance plus one part hatred plus one part disrespect equals advocacy for criminal acts.

[DuckiesDarling]

Well DD, to be fair, the DJ could have responded to that e-mail sarcastically. I can imagine that far easier than imagining that he was seriously suggesting that a dad should organise the rape of his daughter.
But as you said, we don't know the details. There are no transcripts to to form an opinion on other than ONE sentence from the DJ.

Kangaroo court?:tongue:

Ding Ding, we have a winner :) I agree, Gear.

[tenni]

If the DJ said "screw your daughter your daughter straigtht", does that make it better and less offensive? I don't think so. To argue semantically that it isn't rape seems like an attempt to minimize the real issues.

Anyone telling a father to get someone to screw (have sex with) his daughter seems offensive to me. Add to the fact that this is suppose to make her sexuality become "good" "proper" "acceptable" as in becoming "normal" which is understood to be heterosexual.

Focus on the offense.

It doesn't matter whether the word "rape" is appropriate.

It is still morally wrong to suggest that a father arrange to have his daughter to have sex.

It is still wrong to think that the only way to be "proper" is to be straight.

[pacific_waters]

Would you get off the right wing thing? I voted McCain and think the shock jock is an idiot and most "right wingers" I know feel the same. Look at some of the statements left wing heroes like Bill Maher say. I know plenty of dems who think gay jokes are a scream so don't pin it on the so called right.


That story has been posted on Facebook today by a number of people----this does go show that the right wing side of things has become sort of unhinged--and its pretty sad that on their side---saying something this vile is "really no big deal"----like I said---to be so far this way---it is really allowing the darkening of not only the mind, but of our hearts and souls.

Pretty much does sound like he is advocating something that is very close to rape to me--no matter-it is of course homophobic--and it surely doesn't show much respect for the wants and wishes of the woman--only what the men want of course and of course---lets face it--for far too many men----the only real value they see in a woman is that she is good for sex, maybe pumping out a few kids, keeping the house clean and cooking dinner---but not much else. They sure as hell don't care for women all that much, in fact--they pretty much hate them--and surely they don't like that women ever got any degree of independence.

[darkeyes]

Would you get off the right wing thing? I voted McCain and think the shock jock is an idiot and most "right wingers" I know feel the same. Look at some of the statements left wing heroes like Bill Maher say. I know plenty of dems who think gay jokes are a scream so don't pin it on the so called right.
There is much truth in what you say.. within left wing parties and organisations there are those who are as misogynistic, homophobic and biphobic as any within right wing parties.. but it is right wing parties around the the western world at least which are most resistant to progressing positively the rights of women, homosexuals and bisexuals.. it is from within those parties that the most misogynistic, homophobic and biphobic often violent cries are heard, and where such rights are regressed it is right wing parties which are primarily responsible. Equally. it is also true that in general these issues are mostly, although not exclusively progressed by parties of the left and there is far less regression of such rights when they hold power.. the voice of the misogynist, the homophobe and the biphobe are not unkown in left wing parties but they are far less loud and considerably fewer in number..

[Nextyearsxmassgifts]

Would you get off the right wing thing? I voted McCain and think the shock jock is an idiot and most "right wingers" I know feel the same. Look at some of the statements left wing heroes like Bill Maher say. I know plenty of dems who think gay jokes are a scream so don't pin it on the so called right.

Well first off, Bill Maher is a comedian not a political talk show host. Plus he will be the first to tell you the left is bat shit crazy as well. The different is in how the right wing wont speak out against those who spill such depraved rhetoric. Yes middle class Americans that see them selves as conservative or right wingers. Find this kind of thing repulsive and insane dribble, that should not be said on the air. The vast majority of Americans (left and right) find them selves closer to the middle then any political talk show host of the left or right. But this is about the leaders of our country and corporations. They have the voice and power to publicly condemn this kind of talk! But they wont, the vast amount of money they will make from this. Will keep them quiet or prompt a lukewarm condemnation of this talk show host. But no real action.

[void()]

A lesson I got taught long ago seems to apply more and more. A person has a right to voice their opinion, to say what they want.

I also have a right. I have the right to not be bothered to listen. I also have a right to say what I want.

And before some jump and yell about ignoring them makes it worse, or that some punishment for hate speech should apply, I can agree. It is not my job to right all the world's wrongs though. I am responsible for me, maybe extended a bit to family. Beyond that I can not bully officers of law enforcement to enforce the laws regarding hate speech, no one can. You start bullying cops, they bully back and rightly so.

I also cannot put a bullet in the one slinging hate speech. For one thing, I think bullets are too costly for that lot. Rope keeps on giving on the other hand. Give them enough and they'll hang themselves. Me ignoring them is not about liking what they say, or condoning it, or complying. It is about me choosing to forgo the drama they seek to incur. If they lose the attention they seek, they quit trying to seek attention.

[Long Duck Dong]

void......there is a old saying that comes to mind.....

Bydd dyn doeth siarad wirionedd yn y meddwl a'r galon, ond y ffyliaid a fydd yndefnyddio dim ond byth yn eu cegau, eu clustiau a dysgu oddi wrth eich doethineb

[12voltman59]

I hate this crap that those on the right will bring up about Bill Maher: "well Maher says all kinds of nasty things about conservatives" or some such thing---as Nextyear pointed out---Maher is a comedian and satirist---and when he does say some off the wall stuff---he almost immediately backs off it because he is pointing out some of the absurdities of things said by those on the right.

Another thing about Bill Maher as opposed to most of those right wing talking heads---they rarely, if ever, have anyone on their shows from "the left" and if they do--it is to totally dis them--with Maher---quite often---of the three regular panelists, two of them will be often be "conservative"--it is rarely that he has all his guests be "liberals" and on his show---he is pretty much an equal opportunity kicker of both parties and of those on the left and right.

The entire gist of Maher's show is to be funny and irreverent----he doesn't try to make it that what he says is "God's own truth" as do people like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and others on the right try to proclaim.

With that crowd---they never let anyone from the left have the kind of say that Maher lets those from the "right" do on his show----to compare Bill Maher with people like this particular radio show host and those of his ilk is like comparing apples and oranges and as such is totally bogus!!

[æonpax]

Well first off, Bill Maher is a comedian not a political talk show host. Plus he will be the first to tell you the left is bat shit crazy as well. The different is in how the right wing wont speak out against those who spill such depraved rhetoric. Yes middle class Americans that see them selves as conservative or right wingers. Find this kind of thing repulsive and insane dribble, that should not be said on the air. The vast majority of Americans (left and right) find them selves closer to the middle then any political talk show host of the left or right. But this is about the leaders of our country and corporations. They have the voice and power to publicly condemn this kind of talk! But they wont, the vast amount of money they will make from this. Will keep them quiet or prompt a lukewarm condemnation of this talk show host. But no real action.

I call myself liberal, to a point and do not like Bill Maher (whom while spot-on in regards to many of his observations), I consider crass and vulgar. Just becuase he is a comedian, one who specializes on political and social matters I might add, does not give him a license not to be held accountable for what he says, anymore than the attention whore of a DJ suggesting rape as cure for being gay.

I do agree though, that the right is way too silent speaking out against those conservatives who cross the line in regards to decency, respect and common sense. The vile Limbaugh for example. While I object to any attempts to silence these people, like with obscenity of a Limbaugh, should that person use a "for profit" media to make their voice heard, it is right and just to boycott advertisers and media outlets who host such programs.

[*pan*]

DD, the very suggestion that the father should get one of his friends to "screw your daughter straight" implies that rape is involved. He didn't say, "have one of your friends take your daughter to dinner, get her all excited and then proceed to make mad, passionate love to her". No where in the statement, "screw your daughter straight" do I hear a shred of consent from the daughter. Sounds like rape to me.

not everyone that screws me takes me to dinner lol

[tenni]

not everyone that screws me takes me to dinner lol

Oh Pan..hold out for the caviar and Pâté de Foie Gras with champagne...;)

Then again, we (some of us) are easy cuz we like it...not a bottom though.

back to the seriousness of the thread.

[12voltman59]

Well, I have been a fan of Maher's ever since he did his first show, "Politically Incorrect"---even though I don't always agree with everything that he says and the way he says it---he is supposed to be outrageous--that is the point of satirical comedy----a tradition that in America goes back to the pre-Revolutionary days when there were satirical tracts printed by various people, making light of what they considered to be the objectionable actions and such of the British crown.

Maher and Jon Stewart are merely following in the tradition of making light of the things they see that come from those in power, on both sides even though they do tend to aim most of their fire at conservative elected politicians, celebrities, right wing talk jocks and right wing political commentators.

Yes---Bill Maher does have "a potty mouth"---but as adults, we should be able to take some rough language. I guess that such words don't bother me much thanks to having been "a sailor" in a military sea going service in the enlisted ranks, and also over the years--have worked "in the private sector" in workplaces as varied as the deck of a shrimp boat, in foundries, chemical processing factories, paper mills, machine shops and auto production plants--if I could not take some "curse words"---I would never have been able to survive those places.

I know that for those who are against cussing, they say its the sign of a lazy or weak mind to rely upon such words---and on the whole I agree with that---and do have to try to tamp back my tendency to use such words---but in many cases----a well placed curse word including "the F Bomb" can often serve to highlight a point on something you are trying to make.

With the quality of guests that the Bill Maher show books---if those people objected to Maher's use of profanity and the sexual things he says--then they would reject offers to appear. As it is----many people in the areas they select them from---seem to be clamoring to get on the show---and that goes for not only those who are "liberal/progressive" but those who are very conservative.

I know that many on the right would like for Maher to go away but that ain't happening because-- it was announced late last week---HBO just extended his contract for a term of at least two more years.

[_Joe_]

Going by the initial logic of "Rape away the gay", it's also possible to "rape away the straight".

Why hasn't this been pointed out?

[12voltman59]

They probably do think that such is the case--that is why they want to keep gays and lesbians from having the right to be adoptive or foster parents--since of course--all gays and lesbians are child molesters just itching to get their hands on the precious youth to turn them over to the dark side.

That they do think that just because a person has sex of a particular flavor---it is somehow going to transform someone--just part of their pattern of "mythical thinking" on just about everything.

[elian]

Well the WBC picketed the local area because there was going to be a showing of the movie "Jim in Bold". It's easy to demonize and isolate something if it remains a nameless, faceless "thing". But, if you can put a FACE on "gay" then people might start to realize, "Hey, that person isn't so different from me." If gay people find each other they might realize that they AREN'T alone, if they talk to each other they might realize that they have value and a voice.

I believe that homophobic groups probably don't like the fact that a "normal" person would probably have EMPATHY for someone who was bullied to the point of believing their life has no value. Somehow they equate having compassion for a person who is gay as some sort of "agenda" - it's sad.

..but for the purposes of this discussion I agree with the previous comments. It's inflamatory to call it "rape" if that's not the word the DJ used, and it was clearly someone talking things up to try and get ratings and publicitiy ..hey, it worked - we're STILL talking about it.

[Dapper_Fellow]

Where are the rape victims and advocacy organizations that represent them? Why attack this solely for it's offensiveness to LGBT people, when it is such a harder slap in the face to the people out there that have lived through the atrocity of rape. Acts of violence of the magnitude of rape leave permanent psychic scars, and can affect a person's ability to have healthy relationships for years (or longer). I dated a guy back in highschool who was sexually assaulted as a minor by an older man, and it certainly did not turn him gay, in fact it made intimacy a genuine challenge because it would bring back so many painful memories for him.

I literally taste bile in my mouth, and my eyes tear up when I read this kind of hate. No victim should be the butt of a ham handed attempt to couch bigotry as humor.


"The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists — that is why they invented hell"
-Bertrand Russell

[Long Duck Dong]

thanks, dapper...... you can see things the way I see them..... its not really the remark that got at me... its the DJs ignorance about the suffering that people have gone thru cos of thinking like his, that got at me....... the haunted look in peoples eyes is something that is very hard to forget.... and for the victims, so are the memories.....

[æonpax]

Going by the initial logic of "Rape away the gay", it's also possible to "rape away the straight".
Why hasn't this been pointed out?

Good point however flawed it is. The assumption here is that a lesbian, who does not want nor desire (male) carnal knowledge, can be cured by having a male RAPE (an actual lesbian would never consent) her. The converse would be to have a lesbian (or bisexual female) "rape" a straight female, to turn her homosexual. The absurdity here is fairly obvious.

This is similar to those who claim homosexuality is a choice yet fail to acknowledge the converse then is also true, that heterosexuality is also a choice.

[darkeyes]

..but for the purposes of this discussion I agree with the previous comments. It's inflamatory to call it "rape" if that's not the word the DJ used, and it was clearly someone talking things up to try and get ratings and publicitiy ..hey, it worked - we're STILL talking about it.
Much less inflammatory, Elian, than the encouraging of a rape and then denying by omission and getting hot under the collar that rape is what is being suggested.....

[elian]

Do people actually pay attention to these buffoons on the radio? If he can dish it out he should be able to take it, but often the microphone is a one-sided deal.

Abuse is bad, sexual abuse is one of the most insidious forms. I know what it's like to doubt your self-worth because of it and it has taken me YEARS to build my trust back up to the point of feeling like I am "normal". Again, people don't think before they speak - if this guy had ever been in that sort of situation and didn't like it, he would have never used those words. Sadly you don't know what it is like to live as someone else until you try to fill their shoes. If homophobic people could live one week as LGBT then maybe they would know that there are more important things to worry about in the world than what is between somebody's legs.

[Long Duck Dong]

the thing that I keep noticing, is the re-occurring understanding that its about rape.....

so much of the debating is actually not around what the DJ said, its about what people think, based around their own understanding of their situation and what they think, APPLIED to the issue with the DJ, then the words that he said, shaped to fit the persons understanding......

what I am noticing, is the way aspects of sexuality are being ruled out as possible, based around the assumption that the daughter is a lesbian......
yet we have people in the forum that have IDed as gay / lesbian and now bisexual... and vice versa...........

so it would appear that the daughter is being labeled as lesbian in order to make the remark more offensive, even tho the DJ never referred to the daughter as a lesbian... or a bisexual for that matter...... but the thinking that a lesbian would never have sex with a male, is being used as a way to make the remark more offensive, without recognizing aspects of sexuality as fluid

if we talk about screwing the partner until they beg for mercy ( suggesting hot, passionate sex until they are so tired that they say stop for the night ) are we being sarcastic, humorous or offensive ??? the context of what we say, is in what we say, but not in the context that others may hear....

I am not pointing fingers at anybody.... I am just curious as to why the bisexual community can get away with saying remarks about things.... yet a hetero ( I am assuming the DJ is hetero ) is wrong for saying the same thing about an assumed gay female ( we have no idea what her sexuality is or is not ) .... and how when we do it, its not regarded as forced sex, but the DJ who never mentioned forced sex, is being nailed for implying that a person would be being forced to have sex.....

a few examples would be things like the statements in this forum about how I made myself to have sex with other people cos I am asexual ( incorrect, there was never any pressure on me to have sex ) or how its fun to turn others bisexual.... or even the article recently about the lesbians seeking out the straight females or not sure straight females in nightclubs...... all examples of what can be deemed as * forced sex * yet barely a murmur in the forums about it......

personally I think its more of a issue of people are offended by the idea that somebody thinks that they can screw them straight and that is what they are reacting to... and not actually the DJ or what he said.... hence people want to lynch the DJ, not for being offensive but cos his statement touched a raw nerve in people... but when others say it in the forums, it doesn't touch the same nerve so therefore there is not the same reaction and outcry.....

I stand by my original statement and stance..... and I clarified it in the thread, that I think his remark was a ignorant one if he thought that having sex fixed problems... not that he was implying forced sex in a attempt to change a persons sexuality... that is what others are saying and implying the DJ was saying

[tenni]

re: post 37

Have you considered that you look too deeply for something to be contrary about?

“You should get one of your friends to screw your daughter straight.” can not be clearer that homosexuality is wrong/immoral while heterosexuality is right/proper according to the DJ.

You seem to set your words up to "challenge" bisexuals. Several people were critical of the lesbian attempts to seduce hetero women contrary to what you post. You suggest in a mumbled way that hetero is good ...bisexuals jump all over the above statement. I don't know if your messy logic is biphobic towards the majority of posters on this site/ homophobic towards the article or foolishness just to be contrary for contrary's sake.

[Long Duck Dong]

re: post 37

Have you considered that you look too deeply for something to be contrary about?

“You should get one of your friends to screw your daughter straight.” can not be clearer that homosexuality is wrong/immoral while heterosexuality is right/proper according to the DJ.

I do not see anybody saying that being gay or bi is wrong....... I say people saying that it is what the DJ was saying, but since he is so outspoken, I would have assumed the DJ would have said it himself...

I could say the same thing about you and your constant quoting of websites about asexuality in a attempt to put words in my mouth that I do not say......

[csrakate]

OMG LDD..maybe you need to stop thinking so much! The comment by the DJ was so vile on so many levels that it defies logic and it really doesn't need your "expert" opinion as to why people react as they do and it certainly doesn't need to be put in your "us vs. them" campaign. I personally found it offensive because he suggested what he did to a FATHER about his DAUGHTER but I also found it offensive that he would suggest that you could "rape" away someone's sexuality....regardless of that sexuality. Rape is a violent act....Does it REALLY matter WHY? I am also bothered by the argument over semantics with the use of the word "rape"..... However you want to label it, forced sex is rape...and I am sorry if the use of the word offends someone, but it is what it is. The same thing could be said to you about violence....or what is IMPLIED violence when you originally responded to the post:


this is the reason why I would fail as a pacifist ( no offense, fran ).... there are times that words fail me and I would express myself in other ways.....

while its a form of anti gay / bi remark.... personally I would hear the cries and voices of so many people of all races, sexualities, genders... ringing in my ears as I * discussed * the issue with the radio announcer.....

I can only wonder at the fathers reaction at what was said... as any decent father would be one of the first people to want to *talk * to the radio announcer about the remarks regarding his daughter.........

I think I need a drink and about 3 weeks to calm down......

[æonpax]

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This article is about one DJ's (Dominic Deiter) use of a heinous method of supposedly "curing" gayness, or in this specific case, "lesbianism." Some news bloggers and online services have used the word "rape" as a sensationalistic headline but in all cases, those that did also provided the accurate transcript of what the DJ actually said, "screw". - http://news.google.com/news/story?gl=us&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Dominic+Dieter&ncl=dbaP7z9ly522ocMeRy57uOl0DfzYM&cf=all

The event itself is infinitely more important than someones personal and trivial objection to a semantical juxtaposition of a verb. I have no objection to the use of the word "rape" in this context as that is what the DJ was tacitly implying....unless lesbians are really bisexual females who secretly desire consensual sex with males.

[Long Duck Dong]

OMG LDD..maybe you need to stop thinking so much! The comment by the DJ was so vile on so many levels that it defies logic and it really doesn't need your "expert" opinion as to why people react as they do and it certainly doesn't need to be put in your "us vs. them" campaign. I personally found it offensive because he suggested what he did to a FATHER about his DAUGHTER but I also found it offensive that he would suggest that you could "rape" away someone's sexuality....regardless of that sexuality. Rape is a violent act....Does it REALLY matter WHY? I am also bothered by the argument over semantics with the use of the word "rape"..... However you want to label it, forced sex is rape...and I am sorry if the use of the word offends someone, but it is what it is.

kate

I have heard the saying in more ways than one over the years,... and if you read ALL of my posts, you will see that indeed I have a issue with what was said... cos I find it to be highly ignorant and a very stupid remark......cos I have seen the effect on people that have been put in that situation... and it makes my blood boil......

I even questioned what the father would have said, if he was a decent father........

I also know the danger in going after people when things are twisted around to fit our understanding of what they meant, not what they said.... I have a fond dislike of lawyers cos they do the same thing in court and I have been on the tail end of it.......

but don't let that stop you twisting what I am saying into something other than what I did say, in order to make it look bad.....

I am not defending the DJ, I am questioning in what context, was the remark made and how did he intend it to sound..... cos I already know how people believe it was meant and said.......

I am questioning why people hardly rise a eyelid when similar remarks are made in this forum .... tho I know that drew deleted one post in a thread cos it referred to the same type of thinking......

its not a US V'S them thing at all..... its a LDD is wrong for not joining the lynch mob, but standing to the side, saying the DJ should explain himself and what he meant, before I react.... hence why in my first post, I said I would like to * discuss * the issue with him..... as least I am open to hearing what he has to say, before everybody else lynchs him

[Long Duck Dong]

aeon, this is one of the links in the site that you linked a couple of posts ago....

http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/105424/wmms-dominic-dieter-apologizes-for-screw-your-daug


A transcript of the show provided by GLAAD (http://www.glaad.org/blog/clevelands-wmms-takes-action-after-corrective-rape-suggestion), quotes DIETER as saying:"I just wanted to say that, I know on the show this past FRIDAY I made some comments that people found -- considered to be offensive. And I just wanted to say, I understand why people are angry. I want to genuinely apologize to anyone who may have been offended by what I said.I regret what I did say. My comments were inappropriate. They were inexcusable, and just downright stupid. And I want to make it clear; there was absolutely no intention to promote physical or sexual violence. And I’m truly, truly sorry by my poor choice of words that led people to believe otherwise."

further down in the article

"We also want you to be aware that during FRIDAY's broadcast, he was in fact immediately criticized on-air by the other hosts of the show, and the rest of the segment was dedicated to a productive discussion about the acceptance of all lifestyles," added ABRAMS. "It included call-ins and commentary from members and friends of the gay community. WMMS supports the gay community and again, we deeply apologize."

now I am not saying that his apology makes everything ok and all bright and shiny..... but I would like to see him do a community service course as a form of discipline, at a LGBT support group or at a rape crisis center, or even both, so he can see how sex doesn't make things all right and perfect...... its a proactive approach that I would use..... and maybe he will become more careful in what he says

[csrakate]

its not a US V'S them thing at all..... its a LDD is wrong for not joining the lynch mob, but standing to the side, saying the DJ should explain himself and what he meant, before I react.... hence why in my first post, I said I would like to * discuss * the issue with him..... as least I am open to hearing what he has to say, before everybody else lynchs him

I call bullshit on this, LDD....No way in HELL did you imply that you wanted to discuss anything with that man! Your comment implied violence....not talking!!! Don't try to wiggle your way out of this one. I am so sick and tired of your martyr stance! Once again you have tried to change your tune about something you posted and once again you are attempting to make yourself look like the victim. I didn't twist your words, LDD....You were quite clear on what you were trying to say.

this is the reason why I would fail as a pacifist ( no offense, fran ).... there are times that words fail me and I would express myself in other ways.....
Apparently now you are trying to twist your own words to make yourself look better.....even going so far as to put the asterisks around the word discuss once more as you claim you would sit back and "listen" to his side of the story.....YEAH.....RIGHT!

Maybe if you weren't so quick to be the first responder to every single forum post you would have more time to THINK before you post instead of having to back track later on.......

[darkeyes]

this is the reason why I would fail as a pacifist ( no offense, fran ).... there are times that words fail me and I would express myself in other ways.....


This the bit u mean Mumsie??? She is rite ya kno Duckie..u did... an' I didn't take offence... just think u were wrong and a very bad boy!

[csrakate]

This the bit u mean Mumsie??? She is rite ya kno Duckie..u did... an' I didn't take offence... just think u were wrong and a very bad boy!

Absolutely, my dear lil' tart! I had just gone back and highlighted that comment in my post when you posted this. I didn't take offense when he posted it either....Although I don't advocate violence, it seemed like a natural reaction for any red blooded human being and I knew it was just talk. I am more offended that he has gone back and tried to make himself look like a man of reason in this case and for calling everyone else out for their reactions and for once more making himself the victim!!

BTW...Good to know you have Mumsie's good eyesight and memory!

[darkeyes]

Absolutely, my dear lil' tart! I had just gone back and highlighted that comment in my post when you posted this. I didn't take offense when he posted it either....Although I don't advocate violence, it seemed like a natural reaction for any red blooded human being and I knew it was just talk. I am more offended that he has gone back and tried to make himself look like a man of reason in this case and for calling everyone else out for their reactions and for once more making himself the victim!!

BTW...Good to know you have Mumsie's good eyesight and memory!
The memory is fine ta Mumsie an the readin' specs come in ver handy!!!

[Long Duck Dong]

times have changed and so have I..... my days of ripping people apart cos of something I assumed they have said, are generally gone........

yes i would have had a go at the guy, grabbed him by the scruff of the neck and demanded a answer, then for him to clarify it on line, and apologise for what he said, to ANYBODY and EVERYBODY, that was offended by the remark, not just the people that are getting offended by what they believe he meant and not just the ones that never heard it, but jumped on the bandwagon with the rest of the lynchmob

so yeah, I would have failed as a pacifist..... but I would have not failed as a reasonable person that clarified first, what a person said, before I went after them.... cos its so easy to assume what somebody is saying and get it wrong... isn't it...???

can somebody point me in the direction of the other flawed human beings..... I do not want to be in the presence of the perfect people that can do not wrong......

[csrakate]

times have changed and so have I..... my days of ripping people apart cos of something I assumed they have said, are generally gone........

yes i would have had a go at the guy, grabbed him by the scruff of the neck and demanded a answer, then for him to clarify it on line, and apologise for what he said, to ANYBODY and EVERYBODY, that was offended by the remark, not just the people that are getting offended by what they believe he meant and not just the ones that never heard it, but jumped on the bandwagon with the rest of the lynchmob

so yeah, I would have failed as a pacifist..... but I would have not failed as a reasonable person that clarified first, what a person said, before I went after them.... cos its so easy to assume what somebody is saying and get it wrong... isn't it...???

can somebody point me in the direction of the other flawed human beings..... I do not want to be in the presence of the perfect people that can do not wrong......

You know....a simple...."Yeah...I said that...I may have threatened violence because it was a vile and unforgivable thing for that man to say" would have sufficed ....but NO...you have to play pitiful and try to have us believe that your intent was far from violent.....just a quest for HIM to give his side of the story and offer him a chance to take it back. (and I refuse to believe that one will give an honest, sincere answer as they are being held by the scruff of the neck). And you just HAD to do the old "I do not want to be in the presence of the perfect people that can do no wrong" to make us feel sorry for you.....EPIC FAIL!

For goodness sakes, LDD...we are all a bit flawed...we all make mistakes....there is no perfect person. But it takes a very big person to admit that perhaps they were wrong and that simple admission will endear a person to others. Why don't you give it a try?

[darkeyes]

times have changed and so have I..... my days of ripping people apart cos of something I assumed they have said, are generally gone........

yes i would have had a go at the guy, grabbed him by the scruff of the neck and demanded a answer, then for him to clarify it on line, and apologise for what he said, to ANYBODY and EVERYBODY, that was offended by the remark, not just the people that are getting offended by what they believe he meant and not just the ones that never heard it, but jumped on the bandwagon with the rest of the lynchmob

so yeah, I would have failed as a pacifist..... but I would have not failed as a reasonable person that clarified first, what a person said, before I went after them.... cos its so easy to assume what somebody is saying and get it wrong... isn't it...???

can somebody point me in the direction of the other flawed human beings..... I do not want to be in the presence of the perfect people that can do not wrong......
Grab him by the scruff of the neck (a violent act in law considered assault) and then demand he clarify? I cant say about ur part of the world but in this country grab a guy by the scruff of the neck and he is likely to turn round and smack ya 1... not a wise move and hardly one I would ever recommend..

No one is perfect Duckie, not me at least.. I have far more character flaws than I care for.. some of which to my detriment and shame I have far too much trouble keeping under control.. one isn't grabbing peeps by the scruff of the neck however no matter the provocation.. better to jaw than war as they say.. and we aren't talking of a court of law.. we are discussing an injudicious and stupid remark for effect at least and maybe more.. a bigoted incitement which maybe the law should be looking into and certainly the employer of the person in question.. maybe even licensing authorities and broadcasting complaints authorities.. it would happen here.. free speech is one thing... using it irresponsibly to incite an act of violence quite another..